Damn that was a little much huh?
Ohh well those *******'s deserve it


Getting Rapeddaly
LVL 60 Prisoner of Verant

Verant created a great game but sometimes they miss the boat. The beautiful thing about an online game versus an RPG game is that there is no debate about the rules or the intent of the rules. The game either permits it or it doesn’t permit it. There is no such thing as an exploit and Verant is being lazy and/or foolish.

Everything in the game is an exploit. I try to get my charisma up so that I can exploit more money from vendors. I try to get better weapons so that I can exploit more MOBs.

If there is a problem with the game and players can exploit in ways that are not intended, fix the game.

The bottom line is that if it is allowed by the software, then it's fair. If Verant doesn't want it done that way then they should "fix" the software.

However, I'm not suprised, I've been very unstatisfied with the level of support the GM's provide. Especially for problems caused by glitchy software (Anyone ever had the server crash while you were on the boat? My friend did.)

Hmmm exploits ?? For those of you who played RP
games for quite awhile you remember such silliness
as rules that wprked out so that going by them a
PC could carry more than a horse and go farther
or just where did u carry that 10 foot pole you
are using to check the ceiling?? How are you
fighting and carrying a heavy crossbow and a 50"
coil of rope and using a 2 hand sword at the same
time?? anyways verant appears to be full of people
in dire need of some counseling. The game was always about having fun that was the point if things looked bad for the party a good GM worked it out somehow and the party lived to fight another day if the GM was a ******** and killed you all time and again yo told them to **** off and left them sitting at an empty table looking
at their books and dice) So VI smarten the **** up
you bunch of self absorbed control freaks we are paying customers or you will find yourselves sitting with a beautiful adventure world that no one wants to play in. No i never used an NPC to go
take a look in the cave around the corner or open
a closed container try a potion on touch the shiny red button P if you beleive that I got a bunch of stuff i wanna sell you in EC ) Cheers at
conquest exploit or not I was not there cant say
When mobs take fall and drowning damage then we can talk about player abuses of ****** programming
IMNHO If you killed something its dead you win
and in all my time on this earth i have never seen
anything outside of a sporting event that resembled a "fair fight" the object is to leave the enemy dead or incapicitated not follow some ******* silly rules> anyways its late am tired and kindly forgive the punctuation and spelling errors hookd on fonix owes me a refund

The inception of EQ was years ago, and up until then internet gaming was in an "infintile" stage. Verant did what nobody else could do at the time, which is make a completly evolving, living world in which to emerse ourselves in. I challenge any of you do accomplish such a task. And when you do, I hope your endevours are as successful as Verant's. 350,000 ppl (est) are currently subscribed. Did Verant ever plan for such success? Doubt it! Sooner or later there's gonna be problems. And you guys flame Verant. Try calling Nintendo to fix the bug that let's Mario jump on the same turtle shell and get 200 extra lives. You'll get put on hold for the rest of your life. Let Verant go.....at least they designed a game that is fixable.....








Caelestes Dashiznit
50th Wizard of Raised by Prophecy
Drinal

maybe they want just 80 warriors and 80 clerics to beat it up.

Heh, as an enchanter I can vouch that just about any 50+ mobs (besides a few exeptions like in PoM) will summon you if on top of aggro list. Verant is up to their bullshi.t (oops, did I add a period in there) as usual.



"Verants solution to the problem; nerf it to hell!"

"I still agree that the biggest taunt in the game is an enchanter sittin down."

Kaizel Mezzaire
50th Enchanter of Zebuxoruk

Moulin Rouge (10 bucks Verant will get on me about my name for that, but while their motto is nerf it, my motto is get around it. "Excuse me but moulin rouge means Red Windmill in french, if it is any way relating to this 'show' your talking about it's purely coincidental")
23rd Bard of Zebuxoruk

Well, seeying as how appherently everyday tactics are now bannable, ill bet verant will be making alot of changes. Can't use taunt anymore, seeying as how that exploits the monsters right to kill your casters and then your party. No more healing spells, that exploits game rules by giving back HPs the monster rightfully took away. I mean that is a bit exagerated, but going by what ive read at the conquest site soon all druids will be banned for kiting.

For me there is no such thing as a *game exploit* it is nothing more than a poor game design. Players using something that V don't bother to fix and get banned? that's a piece of crap. Everyone know that the Z-axis doesn't work properly in EQ, you can /corpse bodies from below standing high above...blah blah... V knows it well, do they bother to fix it? HELL NO! They are too busy nerfing everything that DOES work properly. This is crap.

first of all, i don't know anybody in conquest or anybody at verant/sony, and i've only been playing since december (though i know people who've played since the beginning). from a distance, this looks a lot like two wrongs not making a right.

sounds like conquest was taking advantage of a bug or two, and the response from verant was excessive. now, anybody who has ever had a beef with verant or sony is screaming about "the evil corporate monster".

the z coordinate bug is something many of us have experienced in various zones, but usually it's the mob that exploits it (as a newbie in misty thicket, i stood on top of a tower and was attacked by a bixie who was below me on the ground, untouchable to me). if conquest figured out how to make it work in their favor, good for them. but it is exploiting a bug. as for the land/water bug, again if conquest figured out a way to attack from one into the other without getting hit back, good for them. but it is exploiting a bug. (it's not the same as fleeing the water to escape death, it's more like fishing with dynamite...very unsportsmanlike).

on conquest's behalf, the GM could easily have stepped in and warned them that they were breaking the rules instead of watching silently and accumulating evidence in order to ban players.

but a query to all the conspiracy theorists who beleive that "verant doesn't want it's game beaten": please explain the motive.

would any of us have stopped playing (and paying) when we heard the sleeper had been beaten? doubtful. everyone in the game cheers when an unconquered mob gets conquered (though i suppose there is some jealousy between the super-guilds). why would they risk all the negative feedback they knew they would have to endure? so a couple of programmers can boast about the "unbeatable Everquest"? not likely.

why would they spend money to pay programmers to put features into a game and then not want anyone to see them?

we all love to hate the faceless corporate giant, but in this case, what is the motive for this "evil"?

imho,
nimbledigits

ps everyone who is of the "well, verant allowed the bug to be in the game, so it's their own fault" are missing the point entirely. the rules state that exploiting a bug can result in banning. end of story.

I will say this, if you read your service agreement your one up on me;) But ultimately if you choose one exploit or another, your die has been cast, and you have to live with the outcome. So, to those out there that come upon the choice to take part in an exploit, just remember that that foot from "Monty Pythons Flying Circus" can sure enough, squish ya;) Personally, I would take the time to do things right, and if you die, at least you can say! "hey, you can't ban me! er, but can ya pull my body from the dragons feet!

And now for something completely different!