well... what do you expect? alla got bought out by ige. you get the memo?

Ok gil sellers gil buyers and anyone else playing the game are kind of the same.

If you get rid of all gil sellers and gil buyers what happens....

Less Gil in the economy ok now what
Prices go down ok next
people make less money next
the acctual price of things have not changed you make less so things are priced less how would this change your game play.

Next issue NM Farmers

If it was not them camping them it would be you Just like you learned a skill to make money and I cook fish and farm. They make money off the NM drops. I cook so I farm all sorts of stuff leave the people alone


Its a freakin game grow up people that complain are hte people that can not craft to make enough money to buy things or want to buy gil and can not afford it.

If someone wants to buy gil I say let them so what Would I no I enjoy making things and selling them it gives me more of a game to play as killing mobs all day gets boring.

Some people dont have the time to do this and if your lv is high and gear is low what can you actually kill nothing everything you can kill is Too weak everything that will give you xp will kill you cuz your gear sux.

Just play the game and enjoy it gil sellers and buyers are not hurting anything.

"SE's Countermeasure Skill rises 0.3"


Skillup party, {do you need it?}

You see a small pile of Gil. (Touch It? Yes)

A Party of Gilsellers has arrived.
GilsellerA uses Disconnect Player. You have been defeated by a Gilseller, but he makes you a nice offer on 10,000,000 gil for $45.

No matter how many raids SE does, Alexander's veteran RMT is ALWAYS active. Let me point you to this link

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Everyone who gets upset about RMT always complain about the people camping NMs. Drops from NMs does not generate gil. These are not the people that are causing the problem. If you are concerned about the prices of the AH items check the forums, there are people complaining about being undercut as crafters and loosing gil on these high craft items.

You tell me how a Juggernaut or speed belt can bring in 250 BILLION gil. SB sells for about 40-60 million gil on our server. There is probably 2-3 of them that drop a week If that. That would amount to <200 million gil a week. It would take what, 2-3 years before a person would have enough gil from that to amount to 250 billion gil. On top of that, where is that gil coming from? Someone had to create it. Gil doesn't just miraculously appear in game, someone has to sell something to make that kind of gil. And sell ALOT of it.

People who complain on the forums about RMT are only upset about the compitition, not about the price of the item. If they were upset about the price of the item, they wouldn't post it or bazaar it at the current going price, but lower to set the precident. No, the RMT that SE cares about are the people who actually make the gil, not the small time NM farmers. They are nothing more then an annoyance. It would be something more along the lines of individuals that are suplimenting their income, or even paying their way through school by playing a video game.

The people who are making the 10 million dollars worth of gil in a matter of 6 months, they are the threat on the economy. Remove their money, and people will not have the gil to pay the extreme amounts that items are priced at, and time will cause the price to drop (see Dec 1st through Feb 1st).

Don't get me wrong, the NM farmers are annoying, however, if you chocobo dig, or garden, you will notice that there are ALOT more seeds in the ah (like the price of Tree cuttings dropped in half after christmas, then started to slowly rise again) as well as areas that you normally couldn't dig are now not busy (see elemental ores, Philo stones, darksteel...). And while gardeners (the sale of 90% of your returns sold to a vendor turns into purely created gil, as opposed to putting it in the ah, while 10% of your returns sell in the ah for thousands of gil) can start back up immediately with new accounts, SE is claiming to have methods of dealing with these accounts now (probably a set of pattern actions that trigger flags for them, however, yes, gil sellers will try and change their strats). Chocobo diggers however, once their accounts are terminated there is time and energy invested in recreating that account.

While I have no direct proof of gardening being the method of gil obtaining, you name one other way you can create millions of gil quickly with little to no investment into the game.

Even if you could go and create 250 new accounts, and have say even 10 people manage all of them, how long would it take to get them all high enough to farm NMs, then you have to get claim on the NM, then you have to get the drops, then you have to find a way of creating profit (not making, creating, there is a difference).

Since there is an unlimited pool of gil in the game (NPCs can access any amount of gil necessary to purchase any number of items you sell them), why not collect on that, rather then messing around with the AH. Very few people can make the amount of gil that SE removes from gil sellers at the rate that the gil sellers are creating it, however, every person that I hear complain about it is talking about the same people farming the same NMs that they are. How are they making so much more gil then you? They are not. They are not the problem, they are only gnats. Small fries. Get used to them like you would a misquito. Get them banned if you can. however, they are not going to attract attention of SE, simply because they work on a smaller scale. It's just like all the stoners out there. They can get away with buying weed any day of the week. However, the government doesn't condone illicit drug sales. They go after the people that will make the biggest impact, and let time and mistakes take care of the rest.

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So how long did it take for the Gil sellers to return? Five minutes? Ten Minutes maybe? SE's attempt at fixing the problem is comparable to trying to drain the ocean with a sponge.

I'm tired of hearing that SE is part of the gil seller problem and is taking kickbacks to earn extra money. You idiots think about it!! Who makes the game and the codes? If SE wanted to make money off of the gil they would just create the gil with a website to sell it from and not even bother camping NM for drops. On top of that they wouldn't even have to do it in secret. They could do it in the open. Takes away a huge part of the game wouldn't it. I had a link showing a video of gil sellers at work in China. They do it for fun and profit and see it not as a problem but as providing a servce. When I find the link I will edit this post and ppl can check it out. You will find it interesting. If you dont like gil sellers report them to the GM,s End of story!


Edited, Thu Jun 15 22:49:17 2006

you know what i love how every1 always whiles or complains whenever SE does ANYTHING.. any update to a job first thing i hear... " you hear how they are nerfing (blah) " you never give it a chance or try it out just automatically assume SE is evil... if they are so evil why do you play a game in all honesty i think SE is doing all they can to stop gil selling but you can only do so much at one time ... every time they have acted on them i notice prices go down to more reasonable prices, just liek with additions to the game they try to enhance gameplay ( i have enjoyed all the nerfs as ppl call them ) you need to relize that some of the game was ment to be hard.. and a pain. if it were easy no one would play and the ppl that did would have nothing to be proud of.... thats why it is so challanging ( why does that not look like the right spelling >_> )
* edit to change a mis-spell *

Edited, Thu Jun 15 08:23:04 2006

How many freakin times do I have to tell you that Square Enix IS THE GILSELLERS. Due to the slow down of new members, they really have to make cash some how.

So Square Enix sets up a department at their offices for the sale of Gil. When a team fails to make its quota for a quarter they "Ban them and remove Gil" from the game, i.e. they replace them with new people.

As for the Pro's and Cons of RMT, if Square wouldnt make it so f**king impossible for items to drop or craft stuff, there would be no need to buy it.

I think there are two types of RMT. THere are the in game ones, that bot, cheat, steal, mpk, etc etc (comparable to say like a small time loan shark), and then there are the ones who use exploits in game code, packet sniffers, and other tools to actually exploit weaknesses in the design itself (compare it to a programmer skimming money off electronic transactions). Seems to me, from what I have read, that the later can sometimes rake off hundreds of millions of gil in days before SE or Blizzard catches on, and then its a matter of moving the money around so they don't catch up to it.