I have to disagree w/ the winning EQ bit, I have to say that that honor belongs only to the Uber souls who have killed Kerafyrm, The Sleeper. Really, could you ask for a tougher end boss?

Good thing not everyone is as negatively minded as you seem to be Nixoh.

I am not Time Flagged nor GoD flagged, but I am looking forward to seeing this new expansion for 45+ characters, and finding out what is up with these new epics.

Considering the expansion and the epics arent even out yet, you make alot of assumptions I think.

Oh and for discussion sake : IMO any expansion HAS to offer new content for the highest end players. Why ? Cause they are the living proof that there are already content for the ones below them to level on - otherwise they wouldnt be that high...

Most people just think that being hardcore and raiding 6 days a week is the ONLY way to get there - it isnt, people just dont consider viable alternatives imo.

Melkor, who is Morgoth.

The name Melkor ceased to be spoken, even by Manwe, and he became known only as Morgoth, the Dark Enemy of the World. www.annalsofarda.dk/annals-of-arda/Valar-index-table/Valar/Melkor.htm

In the interest of being technical, "outlive" does not mean that the answer to the riddle existed before the gods, merely that it persists after they are gone.

Consider a widow: She may or may not have been born before her husband, but she has certainly outlived him.

This brings up the question of the integrity of the riddle itself. The conjugation of the phrase "has outlived" implies that the Gods are dead.

It is my understanding from EQ2 lore that the gods are not dead, although they no longer grace the face of Norrath. However, I may very well be wrong about that.

If I am right though, the implication that nothing exists after the Gods die, coupled with the insinuation that the Gods have died, suggests that there is nothing.

Make of it what you will.

Happy September everybody.

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Thinking on this as I lay abed before falling asleep last night, I came to the following conclusions:

"Nothing has outlived the Gods" means that the Gods are still alive. Thus they have not been outlived, and therefore nothing could possibly have outlived them.

"Nothing has never been seen" means that as it is only possibly for us to see "things," (ie, photons and/or light waves directly from a source or reflected off a surface) we are thus unable to see "nothing" (ie, the lack of things, the antithesis of something) and so "nothing" has indeed never been seen.

"And the more there is of nothing, the less there will be?" means that the more "nothing" (lack of things) there is, the less "things" (note that the riddle only used the word "it" before the comma, and that after the comma there was no mention of what there would be less of) there can be, assuming that the universe is finite. Norrath, by definition, is a computer coded world. Thus it is impossible for it to be infinite, and ergo must be finite. As a finite world, the more nothing there is the less things there will be holds true.

~Qaanol

Edited, Wed Sep 1 15:17:45 2004