Beware Capital One -- A Consumer's Story

Yeah I know this has nothing to do with EQ or DAoC, and I'm not normally one to use this as a pulpit for things like this, but after a couple of hours on the phone on this, I figured I would give people a heads up about this company's practice. I have (soon will have had) a Capital One Credit Card. You know the one with those cute "what's in your wallet" commercials. It's actually under my wife's name, which has some bearing on this. Well today I get a call from "Rod" from "The Account Solutions Group", a collection agency, stating that our credit card payment is overdue. Amazed, I tell him that this is impossible, since I pay the card off each month and in fact just sent in a payment last week. He of course insists, in very strong and insistant terms, that we owe Capital One money. Basically, he was rude as hell. Well after much hassle back and forth from him, I finally get out of him that he is looking for a "Tony Moyer", male, born in 1979, instead of "Toni Moyer", female, born in 1965. Great. So I figure it's just a stupid, if unpleasant, mistake. Nevertheless, to be safe, I call Capital One to make sure they do not have us listed as delinquent and that our credit rating has not been affected. After the usual wait on hold and a transfer, I finally get to "Kevin" of customer service. He tells me that there should be no problem with our credit report since the account would be under a different social security number. But I insist he look further since someone got our number to call us and harass us, so I figure someone thought that was our account. Then he says the most amazing thing: that if they can't track down the actual debtor, the collection ageny will typically pull every phone number in Capitol One's database with the same name as the person who owes them money and call them all to try to collect their debt. I'm like "are you saying that just because some Tony Moyer in Podunk owes you money, you called us and accused us of being delinquent?" Basically yes. There were 15 variations of Toni Moyer in their database and apparantly they called them all over this single debt. They didn't call us by mistake as much as mistakenly called us. He claimed that was the price we are supposed to pay for getting that low interest rate. So of course I told him to cancel my account. Then, after I had hung up, it occured to me that a company this unscrupulous and unethical could not be trusted to not somehow mess with our credit rating, so I decided I had better get a letter from them confirming that our credit with them was fine just to have on file somewhere. Plus, I had to make sure what he told me was truly correct, because it seemed so incredulous to me. So I called back and eventually got to 'Nancy" in customer service. Yes indeed she confirmed, we will call everyone necessary to collect a debt. "Even if the age, sex, and social security number all don't match?" You bet. That is apparantly a company policy. I believe the exact quote was "Capital One will do whatever is necessary to collect a debt". Apparantly even if it means hassling people who have absolutely no connection to the debtor beyond a similar name. So if you are considering getting a Capital One credit card, keep in mind that if anyone with your name owes them money, you can expect to get a similar phone call from a collection agency accusing you of not paying your debts. In addition, I ask you to consider this. If they will use the information you provide them in this unsavory manner, how else will they use it? I of course only know about this incident, but do you want to take the chance that this is the only way they will twist your data? Is this the type of company you want to deal with? You may want to consider a different company, and if you currently have a Capital One Card, you may want to consider another option before you too get a call like this.
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Do Not Calls
# May 08 2002 at 7:53 AM Rating: Default
BTW if you live in Texas or somewhere else any company in this state that calles you has to list thier phone number. State Law. Also I was working for a company called SPN-Sports Promotion Network who's phoes did not have phone numbers, they also do not put the DNC's down they call people back the next sports season. That is how they get away with it. Also any company outside of the state calling anywhere in texas has to have thier number show up. Again State Law. Because they are dealing with a person or company in This state. Also if you tell them DNC they have to do that here Like i said State Law. And if they call you more than twice in 1 month it is considered herrassment (excludes collectors and non-profit orginazations like Carter Blood Centers and the ARC). State Law.
My Fraud Problems with Capital One
# May 08 2002 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
A few years back someone got ahold of my capital one card number, (probably someone i worked with) seeing as we did not have lockers at work so anyone could get my info. They started charging a mail order company to my account. I went through the fraud department to get the charges removed. It took two years to get the mess sorted out. I was still getting charged the monthly fee from the place but at least i was getting credited the amount, without the intrest getting credited back. We found out the company is in England, yet was using a merchant number from central texas. The lady i was going through said because it was a small amount it kept getting pushed through. So the only way i stopped it was to cancel the account and pay it off.
=D
# May 08 2002 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
all i got to say is DAM !! =D
Eeeep!
# May 08 2002 at 7:26 AM Rating: Default
I just recently got a Capitol One card (three months ago) and after reading this page, I think I will pay it off (whopping $250 on it at the moment) and close it out.

Thank you for the heads up about this company's practices.
Something you might want to check into
# May 08 2002 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
Allakhazam,

Do a little checking into Reg. P. It's the privacy in banking regulation that specifically prohibits discussing any account details with any party other than the account holder. When Capital One and/or their third party agents discussed the details of Tony's account with you, I believe they have broken the law. I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice, just a friendly advisement on something that may be of interest to you or other viewers.
Git em
# May 08 2002 at 5:55 AM Rating: Default
Have u tried giving this story to anz local news agency? I bet there's people who are not playing EQ and visiting this site who also get these phonecalls, and who knows maybe on or two of these poor guys got so scared they just paid the bill? Just my 2 coopers
RE: Git em
# May 08 2002 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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Aye, that's what I'd do. I'd write your local paper, news agencies, radio stations, etc. and give em the scoop. If this were to happen to me, I can't even begin to imagine how irate I'd be.
Thank you
# May 08 2002 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
My first post on Allakhazam. would just like to say THANK YOU! Always post this info pls :) I know this is an EQ website.. but I guarantee more of us check this website than news websites.. so thank you for the warning. /cheer
Screw it all!!
# May 08 2002 at 4:13 AM Rating: Default
Pay in cash. Credit only ***** you over. You can still build a credit report with things like secured loans and bank-issued secured credit lines. Don't ***** with Capital One, Visa, AmEx, or any of the others. The best thing to do is take out small secured loans, invest the money so you don't pay a whole lot in interest in the long run, then pay them off at maturity and repeat. In a couple years you'll have wonderful credit, finance anything (within reason). Then buy a duplex and rent it out. Pay it off with the rent, live in half. Take your income and throw some of it into savings, take out more of these secured loans, and eventually buy your own home, using the rent from both halves of the duplex to finance the payments on the house. Your interest rate will be low, and your payments will be very reasonable, but pay more than the payments so you pay towards the principal and not the interest. Within 10 years you can fully own your home, and have rental property paying the bills.

This is how people get rich. I know a couple who's son does real estate. He mapped out on paper exactly how to do this, and he said he's seen more than a handful of people do it.

Live at the mercy of a credit card? I think not.
gt off telemarketers List
# May 08 2002 at 2:09 AM Rating: Good
to get your Name off the list provided to telemarketers. call 1-800-5-opt-out. and this will reombe you off all the telemarketers lists.



Thanks
# May 08 2002 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
Don't have a story to add to the growing list, but do have a comment....Thanks :) This is a much appreciated use of this medium to pass on valuable information. Keep it up Al! Hats off to ya :)

Edited, Wed May 8 02:16:11 2002
RE: Thanks
# May 08 2002 at 1:34 AM Rating: Default
Please don't read all these post and take them for facts. If you want or need a credit card do some research. Visit credit card companies websites, credit burea websites and before you sign anything read it twice ,the whole thing, especially the small print.
RE: Thanks
# May 08 2002 at 2:16 AM Rating: Default
I have had plenty of experience working with Capital One and I can say first hand that they are a horrible company. I have never had a Capital One card, but used to work for a bank (Union Bank of California) that had constant dealings with them. During my tenure, Capitol One's employees were very rude and showed nothing but disrespect. (Much in the same way Hopz has been doing to almost all the posts here)

Capitol One's attitude towards it's customer's was/is "who cares what you think, we have 10 million other customers." On one occassion I was trying to help a customer recover a late fee from an online payment they made through Union Bank's online payment system. The payment did not get processed on time, not due to the customer's error(the customer sent it on time), or Union Banks. But because Capitol One's processing center NEVER got electronic payments processed on time. It was one of the FEW merchants on our list that we advised people not pay with our electronic payments. So I contacted a rep with Capitol One and advised them that the customer sent the payment ON TIME but somehow the payment didn't get processed on time on your end. But in a nut shell the rep said "oh well," and wouldn't reverse the late fee, even though the customer DID pay on time and Union Bank also payed ON TIME.

At any rate, all I can say is that people should be very carefull about who they choose as a credit card company. I don't know if Captiol One is still this way, but I would be very cautious about them.
RE: Thanks
# May 08 2002 at 2:51 AM Rating: Default
Actually the one you responded to was polite and to the point. But you are correct I have been disrespectfull to alot of these post. One example was to the person who was going to yell and a phone operator for doing his job. Another was to a person who assumed that all capital one employees are fools because one made a mistake. Maybe it's because some of these post are full of non sense. I'll give you an example in your third sentence. "During my tenure, Capitol One's employees were very rude and showed nothing but disrespect." They were all rude? How many did you deal with? One, Two, more? I find it hard to believe that all of them were rude. Is it possible you had a bad experience with one bad phone associate and then had a little grudge the next time you called? I don't know I wasn't there. The one thing I can guarantte you is that the people who work at capital one are just that, people. They range from 18 and up in age, they have friends and families, sum went to college, sum started there right out of high school, sum had previous jobs in other field and all of them deserve the same respect you'd give a person on the street. I've said it before and i'll say it again they're only human. They have their good and their bad. Just one last thing to think about. How many people who call their credit card company call to say a good thing. I'm thinking about 2 percent. How would you feel if 98percent of your work day was filled with people who were agrivated or upset and were takeing it out all on you. All because you needed a job to feed your kids, pay your rent, and play everquest.
RE: Thanks
# May 08 2002 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
I'm guessing hopz is a Capital One epmloyee. I guess he's kinda proving ala's story :>

-Guillemot
Not just Capital One...
# May 08 2002 at 12:52 AM Rating: Default
I've heard this kind of story from many, many different people...real life friends, investigative reporters on television, even local radio personalities. Every credit card company and/or debt collection agency will do this...sometimes even going as far as ruining the credit of someone who just happens to have the same name as the deadbeat they're tracking down. I don't know about the legality of that sort of situation, but I do know that it's a tremendous pain in the butt to correct the mistake, sometimes taking years for a person's credit to be cleared up.

On a side note, today was the THIRD time in less than a week that a damn telemarketer from Capital One called me and wanted to sign me up for a credit card. And, for the third (and hopefully last) time, I told them "Sorry, not interested." I've been polite about it...the next time they're gonna get an earful from me. I used to do phone support for HP, so I know how the call center structure works...it's gonna be fun working my way up the ladder of pseudo-managers, screaming at each one along the way...hehe.
I'm legally changing my name to Gerzerm blazenerenz
# May 08 2002 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
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See if someone else has THAT name to confuse me with!
#REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2002 at 1:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you don't want to recieve phone solicitations from capital one then ask them to remove you from their solicitaion list. If you call them and scream at the phone associates that's pointless and your just proving how much of an *** you are. You got a problem with the company fine don't take it out on the person answering the phone. Do you want them to come down to McDonalds and knock the spatuala out of your hand.
Another Capital One Story
# May 07 2002 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
My Capital One story concerns a payment I made in November of last year. The check was written for about $1,200. Come December I get a notice from my bank telling me that I've overdrawn my account by $10,000! Turns out that some boob at Capital One had keyed in my check amount wrong and no one caught it (including the goobers at Wells Fargo).

The problem was only compounded when Wells Fargo tried to "help" (without telling me) by crediting my account (the $10,0000) and then reissuing payment for the correct amount to Capital One. I in the meantime (per request by Capital One) had done an electronic check for the correct amount, with their assurance that they would cancel out the first check I'd written (which they did). So now Capital one got paid twice for the same bill. And you know what!? They keyed in the second payment wrong too!

It took over two months to get the whole mess cleared up.
#REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2002 at 12:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh my god imagine that someone made a mistake. I don't know perhaps they were human. That couldn't of happend anywhere else but capital one. I'm sure that's never happened to anyone else with another creditor.
RE: Another Capital One Story
# May 08 2002 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
Senario:

Airplane pilot decides he wants to play gameboy instead of flying his plane. As mario jumps for his mushroom, the plane hits the ground hard, killing 250 folks instantly. But hey, the pilot's human, he's bound to make mistakes. So he made a bad decision, lets all forgive and forget, 'cause once again, he's only human.
/sarcasm off
#REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2002 at 1:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 250 lives and 10,000 dollars ya i'm sure that's equall. And I bet the people who type in all those numbers get paid the same wage as the pilot. Oh here's another thing you try typing in 10,000 different numbers with in a 3 hour time frame. Something tells me your gona make at least one mistake. cause your only human.
RE: Another Capital One Story
# May 08 2002 at 1:22 AM Rating: Default
You ever come to think that there should be a redundancy check for something like this? Say, for example, that Mr. (or Mrs.) Velisaris has a credit line of $5,000, and then this $10,000 check gets run through as payment for their account. That should be a red flag right there. Why would someone be paying twice their credit limit?

It's things like this example that make a good or bad company. The little things add up, not the hellacious interest rate. I personally had a Capital One Platinum card, but ditched it for a slightly higher rate card simply because the card was from a company I had gone through before, and I knew I could trust them.

Then again, I never really had problems with Capital One, so don't think I'm bashing them or anything. I just don't like war stories about financial companies. ;)
RE: Another Capital One Story
# May 08 2002 at 1:50 AM Rating: Default
I like your post and you have a great point. But there are times when people over pay their credit cards. It's not a good idea but they do. The reason some do it is to have more credit. For example if a person goes on vacation and stays at a hotel. Almost all hotels place a hold on the credit card for roughly twice as the estimated bill to cover possible damages. That hold is money that the credit cardholder can't use so they'll over pay their credit card to compensate.
legally my arse
# May 07 2002 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
i work for one of the largest debt purchasing companies in the U.S. and Bullseye, i dont know what country your in but there is something called the FDCPA, standing for the Federal Debt Collection Protection Act. Which is a huge set of laws to what a collector can and cannot do. I know this because i had to take and retake the test every two months. To narrow it down for you, a collector CAN NOT threaten you, talk down to you, make you feel ashamed ect ect. Anything the debtor finds to be harrassment is violating the law and can file a compliant. As a collector we pretty much cant say squat to you at most we can threaten to sue and thast only when we have the ability and the intent. Just last month some small collection agency got in major trouble for calling and using racial slurs against a debtor..

Now i dont understand why there is a whole list of people with simular names they are calling and harassing (which breaks the law) If the debtor claims its not their debt (which the almost always do) we then have to verfi the consumer identifying information..ie the ssn. Capital one should be reported if thats how they handle issues regarding debtors and their lack of intent to pay. But real companies follow the rules ( no matter how bad we want to tell those lying scum bags off)

i can just hear all you *debt collector haters* booing me now for harassing them, my thought is pay your damn bills thief =)

oh and one last thing, harassment is NOT defined by the FDCPA. That means a debtor may think your harassing them even with your first call and the words "hello my name is..."

Rowaen
RE: legally my arse
# May 08 2002 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
Got curious and looked up the FDCPA. Here's some items of interest (it's kinda long):
§ 804. Acquisition of location information [15 USC 1692b]: Any debt collector communicating with any person other than the consumer for the purpose of acquiring location information about the consumer shall --
(2) not state that such consumer owes any debt;
§ 805. Communication in connection with debt collection [15 USC 1692c]: (b) COMMUNICATION WITH THIRD PARTIES. Except as provided in section 804, without the prior consent of the consumer given directly to the debt collector, or the express permission of a court of competent jurisdiction, or as reasonably necessary to effectuate a postjudgment judicial remedy, a debt collector may not communicate, in connection with the collection of any debt, with any person other than a consumer, his attorney, a consumer reporting agency if otherwise permitted by law, the creditor, the attorney of the creditor, or the attorney of the debt collector.
§ 806. Harassment or abuse [15 USC 1692d]
A debt collector may not engage in any conduct the natural consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of a debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:
(2) The use of obscene or profane language or language the natural consequence of which is to abuse the hearer or reader.
(11) The failure to disclose in the initial written communication with the consumer and, in addition, if the initial communication with the consumer is oral, in that initial oral communication, that the debt collector is attempting to collect a debt and that any information obtained will be used for that purpose, and the failure to disclose in subsequent communications that the communication is from a debt collector, except that this paragraph shall not apply to a formal pleading made in connection with a legal action.
§ 813. Civil liability [15 USC 1692k]
(a) Except as otherwise provided by this section, any debt collector who fails to comply with any provision of this title with respect to any person is liable to such person in an amount equal to the sum of --
(1) any actual damage sustained by such person as a result of such failure;
(2) (A) in the case of any action by an individual, such additional damages as the court may allow, but not exceeding $1,000;
(3) in the case of any successful action to enforce the foregoing liability, the costs of the action, together with a reasonable attorney's fee as determined by the court. On a finding by the court that an action under this section was brought in bad faith and for the purpose of harassment, the court may award to the defendant attorney's fees reasonable in relation to the work expended and costs.
(b) In determining the amount of liability in any action under subsection (a), the court shall consider, among other relevant factors --
(1) in any individual action under subsection (a)(2)(A), the frequency and persistence of noncompliance by the debt collector, the nature of such noncompliance, and the extent to which such noncompliance was intentional; or
§ 816. Relation to State laws [15 USC 1692n]
This title does not annul, alter, or affect, or exempt any person subject to the provisions of this title from complying with the laws of any State with respect to debt collection practices, except to the extent that those laws are inconsistent with any provision of this title, and then only to the extent of the inconsistency. For purposes of this section, a State law is not inconsistent with this title if the protection such law affords any consumer is greater than the protection provided by this title.
RE: legally my arse
# May 08 2002 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
BTW, its not only corporations that have to worry about harrassment, but even governments have to. For instance, if you are late paying your taxes, and you file for bankruptcy, and the town you live in sends you a "letter" saying you still owe them 300 bucks, guess what.... that's harrassment and POOF their money vaporizes if you complain. Towns/Cities have to be ULTRA careful when sending out late notices to people who are foreclosing. :D (BTW, I write the tax collection software, but there is nothing I can do to prevent those bills from being printed, the clerks have to go through by hand and remove the ones that are being foreclosed. :D)
Legally.....
# May 07 2002 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default
Apparently, they are legally allowed to do quite a lot. I don't know about calling everyone with a similar name, which you would think would just be stupid, but they can apparently threaten you just about any way they want except for threatening you with bodily harm or death.

Also, with college students, like myself, credit card companies hope that Joe Collegestudent will rack up high bills on the card, have it become delinquint, and then the companies call them and threaten them with jail time (which they can't do), etc, so Joe calls up his parents and cries to them how some mean man called him so the parents pay it off.

I, however, have a Discover card that I can monitor and pay directly from my bank account from the web, and a Visa card (for those merchants who won't take Discover) that is directly taken from my savings account, so it's more like a check card.
Credit Cards
# May 07 2002 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
I had alot of Credit Cards when I first left home and went into the Air Force. Happily, they are all paid off and cancelled save one - My USAA Mastercard. I liked USAA so much that I now use them for Banking, Insurance, My IRA, My 2 College Funds for my Niece and Nephew, and even more Telephone Service. I can't say that I know that they do not do the same as Capitol One for sure, but I find it HIGHLY unlikely. (For those of you unfamilier with USAA, it is only Open to certain government employees, mainly Military members.)

My worst Banking experience was with Bank of America. I swore I would never use them again. Guess what - my new Government Credit Card is through BoA, and they ***** it up ALL the time, too.
Give the Gov't something to do for once.......
# May 07 2002 at 9:40 PM Rating: Decent
I work as a supervisor in the collections department of my company and I sure am glad my company doesnt have this practice. I would have a lot more escalated calls if we did. If you receive any more calls from Capitol One, or an outside agency contracted by Capitol One, I recommend contacting a local representative of the government. Tell them your story, attach the 1000's of posts from this site that you are sure to get, and see if the laws can be changed in your area. In my state, there is a "No call list" where it is illegal for any company to contact anyone for any reason other than to collect a debt (which you have no problems with because you are not the debtor). Just my 2 cents.......
others too...
# May 07 2002 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default
I heard somebody say something about college age kids...well lookout for gateway too...
I bought a computer from them three years ago and had paid the account ahead six months (then sort of forgot about it, to tell the truth- it's stupid I know, I accrued interest that whole time). I got a call from them the first month after the payments caught back up and the lady was like 'you are gonna pay this now or we'll wreck your credit' all that after being paid six months ahead, I asked her? She said she didn't care, that they wanted it now. I wrote them a nasty letter and paid it all off three months later, but point is, they were going to ruin me over the first late payment. Plus the computer's motherboard burned up after 2.5 years (400 to fix). And the interest rate too...24%, the best they would offer me.
Capital One tip off is good, I was considering applying for one.
Credit
# May 07 2002 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
It's been a while since I have been to the site, and it has long since dropped out of my favorites, but you probably should drop a line to your Attorney General's office. As that practice is Illegal. You also can sue them, because of it, especially if it ever turns out that your credit was negatively effected by it.

Credit Card companies are just loan sharks with secretaries.
no probs here
# May 07 2002 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
I have 2 accounts w/ Capital One, and actually been very happy w/ them. I've paid all my bills on time, they give me my due credit increases every 6 months (of course, that's always after the normal, i wanna cancel my card speil, then they give you whatever you want). I can't say they've done me any harm in about 2 years.

As for them calling you because your name was close, that's horrible, and I do truly believe it should be 100% illegal. But, probably 99% of all credit card companies, and other credit bureau's including collection agencies do the exact same thing. The government lets them do it, so they do it and it is very common practice among all lenders, even if they say it is not.
There is always the BBB
# May 07 2002 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
I don't know much about all the laws and such regarding this, But I would seriously consider forwarding this story to the Better Business Bureau. In the very least, they are harassing people, and the more people that report them, the more likely they are to get investigated I would guess....


~Syrah
same business with car loans
# May 07 2002 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
My car loan is through CapitalOne. I went for about a year where I sent every single payment "return receipt requested" so that when they called claiming my payment was late I had proof that it wasn't. I tried automatic checking account debit, but they phucked that up too. Sorry you've had problems with them, but I can't say I'm surprised.
hehe lucky me :P
# May 07 2002 at 8:01 PM Rating: Default
My first name is Vaughn :)

How many Vaughns do YOU know?

Thats what I thought :P No annoying calls for me :)
RE: hehe lucky me :P
# May 08 2002 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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One. He's the manager of the collections office I work in.
Postal Worker went off
# May 07 2002 at 7:47 PM Rating: Default
Holy Cow, the postal worker just went off on you. Hope you dont own any firearms Shoshonie, you just spelled out the classic psycho postal worker to a tee.
Cards
# May 07 2002 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
Capital One is the worst and I have long since, gotten rid of mine, experienced the same as another poster, added late fees, to a payment that as not late, lol and then added over the limit charges. They even verified that is was not late and then would not take off the late charge, siting such jargon as "I do not have the authority to change that charge". And then forward me into voicemail oblivion. So I paid it off and cancelled the card. But in all honesty I do think that all credit cards are bad and actually are set up to ensure you never pay them off, but only pay them finance charges, the only exception is AMEX since it is not a credit card, but a charge card. My advice: Get rid of the plastic.
#REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2002 at 12:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wait. You paid it off? How? I thought you just said they were set up so you couldn't pay them off. And finance charges! That's unbelievable! How dare they tried to earn a profit. Ya know what if you want to spend money you don't have that's fine but your going to be charged for it. That's your decision. So don't cry when you're charged for using someone else's money
Umm, they never called me
# May 07 2002 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
I never get calls from ANYONE because, well, I never give out my real phone number. I still use my parent's old number (disconnected for >1 year) when applying because that is the same ones the credit bureaus still have. I also have all my mail routed to a PO Box (again, it is linked to the old address that old phone was connected to) and I don't have any problems. I highly recommend a book called <u>How To Be Invisible</u> by J.J. Luna if you are interested in your privacy. Worse mistakes than this can and do happen.
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