What did you call that? -- The great SOW debate

The interesting thing about an online, chat type of game like Everquest is that, while we are all immersed in the game and get to know the terminology of the game intimately, we never actually get to hear the names pronounced. Of course, as all the hooked on phonics folks will tell you, even though we are just reading, we are still sounding out the words in our heads. This leads to an interesting, and rather fun clash when a group of Everquest players finally get together in person to discuss their game. Everyone is convinced that the way they pronounce a name or place or phrase is the right way. The most divided phrase in the game seems to be the most popular as well. When you are shouting for a SOW, are you asking for something that rhymes with Cow or with Tow? Personally, I have always rhymed it with cow. But to my surprise there are a whole load of obviously uninformed people who rhyme it with tow. Go figure. This one debate has practically caused fist fights at the various fan faires. Other common words also can sound quite odd when you hear others speak them. There may be only 120 or so zones (I lost count), but there are probably a thousand different pronounciations of them. Go ahead and ask your friends how they pronounce such zones as Guk (I personally rhyme it with "luck" but others rhyme it with "luke"), Feerrott, Kelethin, Toxxulia (try changing the emphasis on the syllables and see how the whole word changes), and just about every zone in Kunark (are you really sure you are pronouncing Charasis correctly?). Sounds wierd doesn't it? It gets even worse when you start to talk about monsters. Do you buy your items in Cabilis from "Cloaks" or "Clocks" or perhaps "Klucks"? And just try to pronounce anything you meet in the Rathe Mountains. Ankhefenmut? Ankhesenaten? Darfumpel Zrubbel? Zazamaharet? Zazaphenebti? There are plenty more like that. Just go through the list and you will find that, with the exception of the orcs, goblins, kobalds and other creatures from myth or literature, there are usually multiple ways you can pronounce each one. The NPC names are even worse. Does anyone really have any idea how to pronounce Lord Doljonijiarnimorinar? So, taking advantage of the ability to add comments to an article, I figured I would kick off the debate. Below are just a small sampling of words from the game and how I personally pronounce them. Feel free to tell me how wrong I really am.
  • SOW -- Why just like Cow of course.
  • Guk -- Rhymes with "luck"
  • Tizmak -- First syllable rhymes with Wiz, second like Mack.
  • Klok -- "Clock" of course.
  • Kaesora -- "Kay" + "sore" + "uh". Emphasis on second syllable
  • Damask -- Sort of like "The Mask"
  • Sebilis -- First Syllable rhymes with Deb, then "ill" + "iss" with the emphasis on the first syllable.
  • Innoruuk -- "In" + "or" + "ook" as in "look"
  • Teir'Dal -- "Tear" (as in crying) + "Doll"
  • Feerrott -- "Fear" + "Rot"
  • Kael Drakkal -- "Kale" + "drack" + "all"
  • Cabilis -- "Cab" + "eel" + "iss". emphasis on the second syllable.
  • Ry'Gorr -- "Rye" + "Gore"
  • Rathe -- like "wrath"
  • Ankhefenmut -- ank as in "hank" + "uh" + fen as in "pen" + Mutt as in a dog with the emphasis on the first and third syllable.
  • Luclin -- I used to pronounce this "Loose"lin, but was told by the folks at Sony that they pronounce it "Luck"lin. Amazing how they can mispronounce their own game isn't it?
  • Drakkel -- "drack" + "ill". Emphasis on the first syllable.
  • Ulthork -- Ull as in "pull" + thork as in "fork". Emphasis on the first syllable.
  • Rowyl -- Rhymes with "Howl"
  • Froglok -- "frog" plus "lock". How else?
  • Solusek -- Sol as in "Doll" plus "loose" plus sek as in "wreck". Emphasis on the second syllable.
  • Well, you get the picture. Feel free to add in your own interpretation of these and other common words. Who knows, maybe we will all start to speak the same language after a while.

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    Same guy that posted the last two
    # Oct 15 2001 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
    Those guys that said earlier about SoW being an acronym... think about this.
    Do you say NASA or do you say N-A-S-A?
    So there :p
    SoW
    # Oct 15 2001 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
    SoW is definatly pronounced like tow because it is an acual word, and if you pronounce it like cow it isn't.
    :p
    Luclin
    # Oct 15 2001 at 10:48 AM Rating: Default
    I personaly pronounce Luclin,
    Luke+Lin

    ...so your all wrong :p
    SoW=Sew
    # Oct 15 2001 at 3:44 AM Rating: Decent
    I never even thought of calling a SoW vocally by saying sow (rhyming as cow). Just naturally said sew. When somebody was asking what I was doing in the game, I said, im trying to find a sew, so I can run to such and such faster. Also the luclin debate... I say Loose-lin. I guess i just tend to use words that you can say without much resistance while saying them. Luke-lin just sounds to harsh a word... choppy sounding. Sow (as in cow) just doesnt seem to flow right with something making you move faster. Guk i call **** (rhymes with cook) again, making guk sound like guck(rhyming with duck or luck) just makes it wierd to me trying to spirt it out in a conversation. Just my 2cps. oh yeah Kunark, i call Coo-Nark. i head somewhat call it Ka-nark? dont know where they get Ka from, oh well. Also cabalis is another wierd one. Cab-a-liss. cab as in taxi-cab. I heard cubby-lis. Cubby as in a cubs fan ;) the cubbys.
    SOW
    # Oct 13 2001 at 10:13 PM Rating: Default
    SOW...like "sew." It's NOT, after all, the acronym for "Spirit of PIG!" Cheeezis!

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    # Oct 11 2001 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default

    SOW is an acronym, It completely dosent matter.

    For instance, how to you pronounce USA?

    is it "yoo ess ay", or "oosah?"

    Do you pronounce the NRA "En Arh Ay" or "Nerah?"

    Just because an acronym happens to have the correct constanant/verb combination, dosent mean you have to vocalize it in the first place...

    I would love to hear how you guys pronounce NAACP, or NBA, or NFL..

    "Its Niffle!"

    "no, no its Neffil!"

    Sheesh!

    Debate Ender
    # Sep 25 2001 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
    What's to debate here? Pronounce the following words:

    Cow
    Now
    Bow
    How
    Pow
    Vow
    Wow

    That's seven words in the english language that support the pronunciation of SOW to rhyme with Cow.

    Now pronounce these words:

    Low
    Row
    Tow

    That's only three words in the english language that support the pronunciation this way, so we have to go with the majority and pronounce it to rhyme with Cow, not Tow.

    The end
    RE: Debate Ender
    # Oct 12 2001 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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    316 posts
    Xerseis left out the English words SOW (pronounced as in COW) and SOW (pronounced as in TOW). Darn, I guess the debate is still alive.

    /jk <grin>
    RE: Debate Ender
    # Sep 26 2001 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
    Actually, there are five, not three:

    Bow (as in the weapon)
    Low
    Mow
    Row
    Tow

    But again, this is an acronym we're talking about, not an actual word. Who cares how it's pronounced?

    And who the heck always wants to go with the majority anyways?


    Siri
    RE: Debate Ender
    # Sep 22 2002 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
    ...err...well actually, there's 6, not 5..

    Bow (as in weapon)
    Bow (as in a knot) (yes, same spelling but two words)
    Low
    Mow
    Row
    Tow

    ..anyways we ALL know SoW is pronounced "beggar bait" so get on with it..
    NAJENA
    # Sep 08 2001 at 11:21 PM Rating: Default
    I know everyone likes it as < nah-JEE-nuh > ,

    but I think it sounds better as

    nah-HEN-ya

    Sounds like a sorceress name to me.

    Frotus of Bertoxxulous
    Re: What did you call that?
    # Sep 06 2001 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
    Not saying any of these are right, they're just what I use...

    Kaesora - kee-SORE-uh (just as "daemon" is pronounced "demon")

    Sebilis - SEB-uh-liss but...

    Cabilis - cah-BEE-liss (even though, logically, the two should have the same accented syllable...in which case, I would probably put the accent on the accent on the second syllable for both)

    Drakkal - drah-CALL and...

    Drakkel - drah-KELL

    Ankhefenmut - ANKH-eh-FEN-moot (as close to proper Egyptian pronunciations for all those names as possible)

    Luclin - can't decide, but I tend to go with LOOSE-lin (but if Verant (VAIR-unt, hehe) says LUKE-lin, then I guess that's what it is)

    Ulthork - ULT-hork (yes, I separate the t and h)

    Rowyl - can't decide, but I tend to go with ROW-l

    Solusek - SOUL-oo-sek or SOUL-you-sek, can't decide

    Qeynos - KAY-nos or KEY-nos, can't decide

    Najena - Na-GEE-na

    Rathe - wrath

    Toxxulia - tox-YOU-lee-uh

    ...and finally...

    SoW - to avoid that controversy, I either say each letter, or the full name. :) But I would be more inclined to say "sew" instead of [rhymes with cow]. Sorry, but nothing about the full name suggests to me [rhymes with cow] though, in reality, there is no correct way to pronounce ANY acronym - it's just whatever people agree on.


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    # Sep 02 2001 at 8:53 PM Rating: Default
    OK i pronounce these words differently:

    feerrott = fey + root

    Teir'Dal = Teeyer + Dahl

    Rathe = wraith

    ok there's my input for the day =)
    I have but two...
    # Aug 24 2001 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
    I have 2 things that I think are pronounced differently then what most think...er some think...er....yeah, anyway, here they are:

    1) SoW=so, or sew....yes, it's that easy. I think so because it's easier to just think so instead of a pig or "with more depth in the o" as one person posted.

    2)Luclin=Looklin....I don't know why, that's just how my freakish mind thinks. Besides, Lucklin just sounds dumb and Looselin.... I won't touch that.

    Donka shan and peace!

    Oh yeah, there is another:

    3) Qeynos=Quay (like in Quail...the bird, without the L) nose (no, not like the thing on your face, when you say nose you actually say noze, I mean nose like multiple no's...get it?). I know a lot of people disagree with this one, but a lot of people think it is pronounced droo id when it is obviously drood, duh!
    to also add
    # Aug 22 2001 at 9:39 AM Rating: Default
    """ Allow me to help you all. By: Anonymous
    Posted @ Fri, May 25th 5:32 AM Score: Default[1.50] Awful Default Decent Good Excellent
    Okay all, I've been reading posts for EQ since March 16, 1999, and my very first post will be on this ludicrous subject. Allakazam and all his lackeys listen up, I'm about to inform you how SoW is pronounced.
    First off, wipe that female pig / cow rhyme out of your brain. Yes, sow is a word, but this is S.o.W., a new term and an acronym. Thus, the current dictionary definition is irrelevant.
    So that leaves us with a pronounciation based on the terms that make up the word. (S)pirit (O)f (Wolf). There is only one way to pronounce the first and last letters (amazing how simple consonants can be), so I encourage you brainers out there to go ahead and sound out the 'o' in the word 'of'.

    Sounds like 'uh', doesn't it?

    So it's THAT simple. It's pronounced S-uh-W, Or very much like 'sew' with a little more depth in the middle. Now all you people (including one of my closest friends in real life) who think getting a speed boost has somthing to do with a pregnant swine, you may now feel enlightened and stop going through life incorrectly. See you in EQ :)


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    To also add, with the two "o"s in the dictionary used for acronym purposes, you have the soft o and the hard o. These by themselves will never make the au sound as in sow the pig.

    remeber A as in hard a like aye. then soft a like when you say apple...diferent from staple

    e as in the the ea of eat.
    then soft e as in eh.

    i hard i as in eye.
    then it follows softly in common words like lick ****(name) sick ...notice the subtle difference in "i" and "e" and both combined give off a different sound as in receive (( and remeber i before e except after c...remeber that grammar rule??))like a hard "E" heh<-- soft "E" there. =p

    O now this is where we are at.
    hard o like in oh....much different for soft e in eh so we know it is one of those things where we must simply be taught this and well there are so many different teaching institutes.
    soft o is the uh sound but normally followed after a consonant we go hard o as in alot of words....we use the hard sound when the first word of the syllable is a consonant. this is different if the first bit of the syllable is led by a ch sh or th or the likes. the names of those eludes me right now

    u hard u is like you
    soft is like cup. uh

    then we have words like shoe. chew, shoot, eww,

    yew and you are different sonds altogether though.
    but mostly, S.O.W. like S.H.O.W. with out the h



    BUT HERE IS AN ARUGMENT

    sow the pig however has friends like plow and how

    and if we had these in acronyms we would say H.O.W. as in regular how, we wouldnt use hoe would we?

    it's jusy a matter of how long you have been raised on the farm and if you have a dictionary to help you out. That and if you tended the pigs more or the fields. =p
    gook?
    # Aug 15 2001 at 9:09 AM Rating: Default
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    RE: gook?
    # Aug 22 2001 at 9:01 AM Rating: Default
    One can not simply break down a part of a word and consider it to mean one thing by itself. Imagine doing that to the chinese way of writing. Clearly noted, many words are only pronounced differently because of colloquilism(sp?...it's early). One also has to consider the alphabet system and the whole phonetic system in which we would extract one word and Americanize it - if you will. Clearly there are accent marks and stress marks and the typical "everybody knows these basic foundation words". These reside in any culture no matter how basic. So with that, I do not see how one can take the part of the word guk and pronounce it ****. I guess this is part of the debate on how we tend to mispronounce or how we tend to mislead ourselves. But if you are giving a historical anecdote and opinion of how the Americans took a term and made it their own then that part is true. But you also have to consider the make-up of the western and eastern movements at that time which I think you are grasping only somewhat. During the periods of 1965-1975, there was more of a imbedded stigma within the american society as a whole than there were in many third world countries when we refer to the education of the whole. The term "the mixing pot" relates to the widespread infestation of different foreigners who have sought refuge upon the american lands. This is entirely different from that infestation of the anglo-saxans of the earlier times who have raped and pillaged the lands away from the indians. Then we have your slaves both from Africa and Asia continents who took up a significant amount of the "american population". With our political and judicial sytem being governed by our social acceptances, we then began to outline what we as a whole would deem standard. This standard has always been a work in progress. Apart from that and more on topic, we would also have to gain insight and dig deeper into how our system has adopted the abridged and unabridged system of communication we call the american language. We can also find some sort of meaning as to how a society accepts a word based on their current mentality. Iq plays a rather large part in how one person perceives something to be from what is actually there. Call it an innate sense of self-discovery or what have you, but your typical uneducated person will most likely accept the easier to grasp terminology than anything else which most likely 9 times out of 10 is the wrong way to go. Ya can have your ill-educated sitting outside the corner-store drinking the "fotays" instead of forties. You can have your mass of illigitmates pronouncing vietnamese as vip-mo-nese. You can say that the veterans of a post war have come to use the word guk as ****. you can pronounce the word "the" as in dee or thu. But I say that this is a sign of our times, and it's bewildering to know that your "concept" of work clearly signifies one of the different levels of a pre-pubescent society( go anywhere in america where you can clearly find the uneduated and they will all share the same way of speaking, mannerisms, and so forth). Even to have your southern belles remain confederate while attempting to mock a liberated northern mixed culture is a joke. You take this and add in the diversity of other influencing cultures in all regions and you have one %#$@ as an acronym known as the USA......""it just depends on your concept of the work"". Oh and did you know that some studies are leading to the idea that more of your common diseases and abnormalities can be caused from imbreeding? Take this and the idea of what Hitler was trying to do and filter it down into our society today and how we have mixed that up furthermore by allowing ourselves the pleaures of crossbreeding. You get not one but many of the negatives. Just imagine two races prominent in their own features being imbred over the last few centuries. Now have both intermix and splash on your environmental hazzards and you have one deranged population of people who -no matter what they hear or read- will be left in the dark. And as history has a way of repeating itself, I am sure many others will -if not be leaders- be followers of a pitiful society where we let the most educated of our men lead us with false hopes and meanings only to define and redefine more the errors which will be there....kinda like what we are doing now my imbred brother, or is that brutha?
    how i speak
    # Aug 15 2001 at 3:37 AM Rating: Decent
    Ok, this is how i read it. I usually mix portuguese and english. Never really thought how other ppl read it )

    Odus- oudus
    Aggro- angro (not sure why, just come to mind like that)
    Fizzle- frizzle (also not sure why)
    Iksar- i used to call 'em iskar
    ogre- i used to call 'em ogre not oger
    Riposte- rí + post (sorry, i'm sure it's a common word but i'm new to the US and am not certain what it is)
    Charisma- used to call it Sharisma Lol
    Dexterity- dextery
    Qeynos- Keynos (nos as it sounds)
    Neriak- ne + ri + ák
    Oggok- oo + gock
    Cazic- Kazic
    Ro- i call it rô not ró
    Kithicor- a 3 syllable word (Ki + thi + cor)
    Feerrott- not sure why but i call it fee + rot
    Kelethin- Kê + lê + thin
    Felwithe- Fell + (wife but with a TH)
    Ak'Anon- don't know why but AK-NON
    Paineel- Pai as in My + neel as in kneel
    Kerra- Kê + ra
    Erud- Ê + rud
    SoW- as in 'so'
    pp- as in pipi (don't even called it platium anymore)
    Teir'Dal- Têr + Dall
    Aviak- Á + viak
    Basilisk- Bá + si + lisk
    Brownie- not so much of how to pronouce 'em but why brownie? It's food
    Gnoll- I just say "noll"
    Sarnak- Sar + nak (heard ppl call 'em Sarn + ak)
    Will_o_wisp- Willow + Wisp
    Guk- as in luck
    Sebilis- as in Sê + bi + lis
    Innoruuk- I + nor + ruk
    Cabilis- same as sebilis but with a K
    Ry'Gorr- Ry as in die + Gore
    Luclin- Lucklin

    But i might be wrong )
    Guk yuck
    # Aug 14 2001 at 1:04 AM Rating: Default
    guk luck
    **** luke i think it should and is luck cause saying it like **** i think is a racist word from vietnam war im pretty sure any way
    No cows
    # Aug 09 2001 at 3:12 AM Rating: Decent
    I know a lot of people who pronounce Qeynos like "Kwaynos" (with the nos rhyming with close). I believe it is pronounced "Keynos" (nos pronounced the same). For Qeynos to be pronounced the same as the first, it would need to be spelled Queynos. Anyway, just like to hear others thoughts.
    Point proven
    # Aug 07 2001 at 11:44 PM Rating: Default
    Xanax has a valid point. To 'sow a seed' is not pronounced as sow rhyming with cow... I personally prounounced it as 'so' as well.


    Kaizel Mezziare (and it's "Kie (as in pie) zell" not "Ka zle", and no I'm not related in any way to Cazel :) )
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    does it realy matter?
    # Jul 31 2001 at 12:46 PM Rating: Default
    If there are multiple ways to pronounce the same word in real life, like the ways Americans, English and Australians do, then it shouldn't matter how you say them as long as other people know what your talking about.

    BTW: I say S.O.W. rhymes with cow because the acronym SEALS sounds like the animal seal.
    Urg I gotta post this...
    # Jul 26 2001 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
    Seems like a lot of people are unaware of the primary definition of the real word 'sow'. As in to 'sow' seeds. Pronounced as rhyming with 'toe'.
    Anyway thats how I pronounce it.

    ===========From dictionary.com===================================
    sow1 (s)
    v. sowed, sown, (sn) or sowed sow·ing, sows
    v. tr.
    To scatter (seed) over the ground for growing.
    To impregnate (a growing medium) with seed.
    To propagate; disseminate: sow rumors.
    To strew or cover with something; spread thickly.

    v. intr.
    To scatter seed for growing.

    Idiom:
    sow (one's) oats/wild oats
    To indulge in dissolute or licentious behavior, especially to be sexually promiscuous, when young. Usually used of men.


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    [Middle English sowen, from Old English swan. See s- in Indo-European Roots.]
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    sower n.



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    Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
    Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
    Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.





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    sow2 (sou)
    n.

    An adult female hog.
    The adult female of several other animals, such as the bear.

    A channel that conducts molten iron to the molds in a pig bed.
    The mass of metal solidified in such a channel or mold.


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    [Middle English, from Old English sugu, and Old English s; see s- in Indo-European Roots.]


    Verant
    # Jul 26 2001 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
    ver - (fair)
    rant - (rint)

    So, Vair-int.

    Also, I go "Rathe" different to everyone here I think... Though I suppose I haven't really thought about it. Its just the way I pronounced it in the 0.3 seconds I thought about it.

    Rathe, rhyming with raft without the te sound at the end and, of course, using th instead of f. Pretty much just saying rath. I ignored the e on the end. Shoot me.
    There s a REASON its pronounced like TOE
    # Jul 25 2001 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
    HAHA you are right- hearing you say SoW like COW is Annoying as all get out. There is LOGIC behind the Correct pronunciation - Look guys- its Spirit Of Wolf- its LETTERS- the letters are S. O. W. - Ss Oh Wuh - SssssOoooWwwwwww SOW like TOE not Cow you silly geese !! now the rest of the words, for some reason, not annoying....... hahahaha.
    how to pronounce?
    # Jul 24 2001 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
    Even with the different way folks from various english speaking countries pronounce things, might be fun to hear how folks who's native language is NOT english pronounce em :)
    just my 2 coppers
    egyptian origins
    # Jul 13 2001 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
    Many of the names coming out of Rathe Mountains (BTW wraith- mtns) are derived from egyptian words and therefore should carry their pronunciations. So the ANKH in ankhefenmut would be pronouced like the egyptian sybol, the ankh, not like the name hank.
    My 2 cp on Tunare
    # May 25 2001 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
    Seems to me that many of the names in games of this sort have their origins in either 1) Latin 2) Germanic/Scandinavian or 3) Arabic/Semitic languages. Tunare strongly resembles the infinitive form of a Latin verb (like volare), and therefore would be pronounced too-NAH-ray.
    Obvious part II
    # May 25 2001 at 1:20 PM Rating: Default
    Oops, forgot part of the SoW argument. Since the alternate pronunciation so. And, one of those meanings is to set in motion (like sowing suspicion) we can only logically conclude that so is the correct way to say it.
    RE: Obvious part II
    # May 28 2001 at 8:45 PM Rating: Default
    I agree with you, to the extent that i pornounce i that way. Sow (rhymes with cow pronuncitation) is actually a word. A sow is a female hog. However, I prefer not to associate Everquest with female hogz.

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