The MCU Omnibus ThreadFollow

With phase 2 of the MCU coming to a close next summer with Avengers 2, I figured I'd start a thread where we can all speculate and argue over where the MCU is heading..

It appears right now, its heading for Civil War.

So it would seem that after the events of Avengers 2, Cap & Tony are going to have a falling out over the superhuman registration act in Cap 3. I would guess that would mean Avengers 3 would actually be Civil War (and makes more sense as to why there is talk of Marvel trying to get Spidey in it) & Infinity Gauntlet wouldn't happen until 4.

I don't really have a problem with this, as it would keep the other phase 3 movies a little more grounded and a little less dependent on the other Marvel flicks. However, it would be AWESOME to see clone/robot Thor kill someone then have the real Thor come back and mop the floor with Tony, as he did in the post Civil War Thor comics.

Civil War was kind of a crappy storyline to begin with. Or rather, the ending really ruined a potentially decent storyline. Either way, I get annoyed when key story elements are removed from movies. I'm still annoyed at the lack of Pym in Avengers and, thus far, Age of Ultron. And the lack of a well established in the universe Spider-Man is just that. Peter is kind of a lynchpin in the whole story, in how people trust him and would follow him and such. Even then, are there any secret identity heroes in the MCU? Tony outed himself at the end of the first movie. Everyone knows Steve Rogers is Captain America, there's a whole museum wing dedicated to him. They didn't spend much time on the Bruce Banner / Hulk thing.

Theoretically a mess filled with all the things that give me headaches.

Read the article I linked. Civil War will either happen entirely in Cap 3 (which doesn't really make sense) or start there and continue into Avengers 3.


Daredevil will be a Netflix TV show next year.

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 2:33pm by Omegavegeta

I'm betting they'll do Civil War, but it's not going to be based around identities. There are other ways they can make it happen. The big thing, I think, is that they need to make it happen with way fewer characters. The cast by the time we get Avengers 3 isn't going to be large enough that Civil War actually feels like a sizable conflict.

I think we'll get a poignant safety vs. liberty line grounded in an actual conflict between normal people, with the hero cast splitting on both sides.

Right now it looks like Cap 3 will be Cap vs Iron Man, so the smaller scale makes sense unless they continue it into Avengers 3.

Its cool. I didn't recommend Hellsing though. I haven't watched much anime for quite some time & have only seen the occasional episode of the original Hellsing.

Well, the article more speculates that Captain America 3 will kick off the Civil War storyline more than it'd be relatively self contained. Which I guess if you take into account that Evans wants out of the Captain America role to take up directing it makes a little sense, as that would lead into Avengers ending the storyline with Spoileris there anyone that doesn't know how Civil War ends? SpoilerSteve is shot in front of the Law & Order court house.

Schedule through 2019.

Edit: Is there enough interest for a DC Omnibus thread? SpoilerDC Warner Brothers just released their movie schedule up to 2020. Because, I guess that's a thing to do. No real word if they'll be just DC movies or interconnected like the MCU, but safe money says they probably will in some way.

Edited, Oct 15th 2014 4:24pm by lolgaxe

Avengers 2 trailer leaked early!

Edited, Oct 22nd 2014 10:46pm by Omegavegeta

Trailer thingy for your viewing pleasure.



Lots of little tidbits in there. Mostly it's looking pretty grim though.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 12:19am by Turin

Creepy music sets the mood nicely. It's no Ooga Chaka, but it works.

Hulkbuster fight is going to be the highlight for me.

Double spoiler: SpoilerSpoilerPaul Bettany, who voices Jarvis, becomes Vision. Not sure if he's voicing Vision or actually putting on a costume and being an onscreen presence, but there you have it. I'm somehow less happy about this development.

SpoilerUltron creates Vision, and a couple of times manipulates/controls Vision, but I can't think/remember of a storyline where Vision became Ultron. I can remember a storyline where Tony Stark became Ultron, though. A female Ultron, at that. I remember because at the end of the storyline SpoilerTony is thanking everyone for saving him, and Wasp says "You had boobies." edit: I actually saved the panel. Spiffy.

All said and done, I doubt it'll be an issue in the actual movie. Just one of those source material geek complaints. It just irks me that Spoilerwe know Tony is creating Ultron instead of Pym, and now it seems like after creating Ultron, Tony is going to save the day by creating Vision. It's way too Tony-centric.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 10:53am by lolgaxe

SpoilerMy guess is that Tony has Jarvis (or a slightly-intelligent program he's built using Jarvis' architecture) attempting to track down and hack Hydra pretty much 24/7, particularly after he finds out Hydra assassinated his parents. Jarvis successfully hacks the research base where they have the scepter and the twins, but then gets mutated by the mind-altering power of the scepter. If the scepter channels the intentions and emotions of those near/holding it, then it could channel the Hydra desire to destroy and dominate.

So, Jarvis mutates into Ultron. The Iron Man suits were designed around Jarvis' architecture, so Ultron can easily take control of one. And he destroys what suits he can before escaping. But he can't take the suits with him, because he immediately removes himself from Tony's network for self-defense.

Tony then either reboots Jarvis from a backup, or just uses him if Ultron didn't mutate from him. Using what he's learned about Ultron, he makes the choice to upgrade Jarvis to a permanent hardware solution - partly out of fear of Jarvis' code being hijacked again, since Ultron would obviously understand it and Tony's security - and Vision is born.

SpoilerI'm thinking the Vision thing is primarily because they NEED to remove Tony's ability to network his suits together using Jarvis, because that's way too powerful. And the "I'm starting over" thing just doesn't cut it.

Also worth noting, they're introducing actual-butler-Jarvis in the Peggy Carter series, if I understand the rumor mill, so they probably need him renamed just for the sake of branding. Jarvis is awesome, but if they aren't planning to make more standalone Iron Man movies, then it's smarter to rebrand him as Vision and let Butler Jarvis take over the name.