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Wow, no Sky fucktards threads for quite a while and then two about Despot recently...weird. :)

Thanks for the heads up.

I disagree with your post Seedling. I wasn't there so I don't know the facts. I am basing this opinion off what both posters have said in this thread and what I know about Despot.

1) Does how much damage they did really matter? If they totally wiped and we are operating under the assumption that a full wipe = free for anyone to take then that factor is irrelevant. They wiped and someone new took it.

2) - Tomato - Tomoto. You can spin it either way. He either 'mischarmed, and lost control of the fight' or 'they exploited' a flaw in the BST job that SE should fix. Notice the change in the message just by rephrasing it. It's easy to spin things your way. It's just a matter of what you think is fair.

3) So what if he was dead regardless. You don't claim from someone else just because you think they are going to die. This goes back to point 1) regarding the assumption that a full wipe and nothing less = free for anyone.

4) That's opinion on how to play the game. Can you honestly say that you're way of playing is the only right way in that situation? If they didn't cast Fire IV 'in time' that was their choice. They were doing other things, or chose to wait or any number of reasons. Your reason isn't the only correct way to do things and shouldn't be taken as such.

5) If mob goes unclaimed while BST is recharming, casting a few other spells would only serve to keep the hate on them longer as Singular said in his post while the PLD had claim.

6) How was them taking it back avoidable? Based on what BST job is like now, isn't it 'luck' if no one is around and/or if no one there decides to steal the mob when it goes unclaimed when BST is changing pets.

[edit]Because I tent to type server a lot when I mean serve.[/edit]

Edited, Apr 28th 2008 12:46pm by Gamion

I remember 2~3ish years ago when RMT was heavily into Sky and NM camping. At the time I was in IntensityLS and after that was in Epilogue.

Back in that time monsters used to go unclaimed for all sorts of reasons. Monsters used to even go unclaimed for no reason at all. And RMT used to try to pull hate by curing the people in the party/alliance fighting the mob. This lead to claim stealing.

The thing was, even if it was RMT that stole the NM, the LS at the time had class. Intensity and Epilogue used to discipline their members for even talking to the RMT if they lost their claim on a monster.

Lunarians and Arch Dominus were (Probably still are) very classy in the way they handled NM disputes. I remember years ago when my LS was fighting Lumber Jack and when the RDM died, it went unclaimed. Something happened and Shamanking ended up with the claim. No idea why, it was a mess. Then the leader of AD at the time apologized and tried to give us the NM back. When we said it was ok, they took screen shots of the drops, posted it on their web site and offered to give us all the drops.

I can remember other occasions where these LS actually supported each other opposed to just watching an alliance wipe then taking the claim.

Hell, I remember hearing stories about people in Dragon's Aery actually using /random to decide which LS would get the claim on Fafnir should the first LS wipe.

I stay away from end game now, so I don't know how it is. I know with LS like Foreal or Unreal or whatever that botting LS is called, that things are probably not handled fairly. But I complement any LS, or individuals who treat other players like actual people.

What happened to me in Sky is a very common occurrence, and is due to a flaw in the way that Beastmaster works. The problem with that is, a Beastmaster will have two challenges when trying to fight a desirable NM. 1) The difficulty of soloing the mob. 2) The likelihood that some prick will just take the claim as soon as it turns yellow.

Having talked to a GM for the 3rd time ever in my 5ish years of play time, I get the same amount of absolutely no help that I'm used to. It's not something that's going to be fixed any time soon, and that's too bad for those who would like to challenge themselves on BST.

My personal goal is to fight Despot, then Ola Grand, and then challenge Genbu with me and two other friends. the way it is now though, the real challenge will not be the fights, but the current number of greedy retards up in Sky.


Edited, Apr 28th 2008 2:54pm by SingBismark

Much more than you do. The drop rate is so low on V-claw that instead of saying "Drops Venomous Claw." it should say "Was rumored to drop a Venomous Claw in some parallel dimension."

I've been down this path. This is where I quote you a whole bunch and insult and such, then wait while you respond in a likely manner. Truth be told, I wouldn't have done to you what your group was so quick to do to us. Like I said, that's the difference between you and I.



I was in Sky for 4 hours, they showed up and the NM spawned for them in about 30 minutes. On previous occasions I've spent upwards of ten hours in Sky just trying to get a chance at a Despot fight on BST. Chances are if it spawned on that 10th hour, some jackass would just steal the NM first chance anyway.



I know exactly what you are doing. You are comparing Big Mouth Billy to Fafnir.

This has been an issue for me in the game for years and years. It's the matter of me repeatedly being stupid enough to expect the best of people, then dim enough to forget the many examples I've seen to show the opposite. It's my opinion that the LS I mentioned, as well as yourself are part of those examples. I wish Karma was a real thing, but since I'm not so certain, the best I can do is try to point out a jackass when I see one coming.

/sigh...

I'm saying that I'd actually take that into consideration. I'm saying that I'd think about what's going on, who died/wipped, how is it going to affect the person behind the character etc...



I can't really make sense of this, I think you typed to hastily or are too angry, but I'm not sure what you mean.

My point is, Leeluu and I were out far away from civilization. We were spawning a NM with a horrible drop rate. One that is so notoriously horrible that nobody camps it. On top of that we had spent 2~3 hours there just to get it to spawn.

Yes I died to it, and if I remember correctly, Leeluu (75WHM) was just waiting for a good time to raise me when we'd try again and possibly not eat a Death Scissors.

Then your group wanders in, claims a worthless NM, wasts 3 hours of mine and my friends time, and practically ruined our evening.

I would have taken that into consideration.

Comparing that day to what happened to me in Sky is much much different.

The only reason I can grant logic to your argument is because you are right. It does have a chance at dropping something of value. In which case your benefit from killing the NM must outweigh the general displeasure and waste of an evening for the folks that put the work into spawning it.

Everything that can be said has pretty much been said. I apologize for insulting you. I don't however like you and that won't change. I don't really feel like arguing more though so lets stop maybe?

The part that 'makes no sense' was because you were saying there is a big difference because Despot is to Fafnir, as Tunnok is to Big Mouth Billy. But I was saying that either way, someone died to the notorious monster. A notorious monster is a notorious monster, same courtesy rules apply.



It was -just you- there. Your friend came later to raise you. Had you popped it and you and your friend were fighting it, that would be different. I take things like that into consideration to. It's -just a game- and I'm not going to go around actively seeking to **** people off.
We came into a room with a notorious monster just sitting there, and someone laying dead on the floor. I'm pretty sure with how childishly you acted no one would have offered you the axe like we did. We did -nothing- wrong, you were just angry at us because we killed it -fairly- and you didn't get to.



Childish.

/end.

I can say for a fact....I was there (but maybe not next to the NM) I usually try to stay away from something that can kill me in less then a second.... that is why they gave WHM tractor to move the (somewhat frequently) dead Singular where he can be raised without an immediate wipe.

I am only replying to this thread because I remember that night. Singular doesn't usually mind dying repeatedly and being raised to fight the same NM over and over again until it is dead. He only warps when someone steals the fun of develing.

I also think this thread got derailed....focus people!

~Leeluu

Anna..you're getting soft....j/k =P

Hmmm...I wonder if he shops at Abercrombie & Fitch...

I did not realize that the PLD (Yondaime) MPKed the BST. My understanding was that the BST was dead before the PLD voked, however if this is not the case then i give you my upmost apologies as it should have been left for you.

but to just point out when we first had claim one member of the party was AFK at the start and came back when I was 25% HP. therefore not all of us died when the BST took claim.

Everything from here till the next unquoted text is directly contradictory to the first quoted statement.














This is stated as fact. Impossible for anyone to claim without any sort of proof:







Hasn't a severe majority<---correct way to use bold tags of your post done just that...




Kinda shows otherwise right here:






Every point of view should be taken into account, however your anger and largely obvious slant to your side of the story while seeking to make the other sides seem less legitimate while simultaneously saying you are being factual and not being derogatory is frankly an insult to everyone on this forum. You're words are there to be refuted as fact. Not that your words are fact, but the very essence that your post has not been edited yet means that how you have said things is fact. You have shown proof of your hypocrisy and it has been rebutted.

I'd care to analyze everything further as I did in the beginning but I don't have the time now.

[edit]Forgot to say why I was quoting all those things[/edit]

Edited, May 4th 2008 2:45pm by Gamion

Hm, ok, If you deserved the right to raise, med, and fight it again, shouldn't the alliance who wiped to Despot been given the right to RR, med, and finish it? I've not met you in game, and I don't deal with much endgame stuff, but really it just seems to me you are angry you didn't get the kill. I admit, it sucks to be beaten to death by a purple named mob, but it's really really hard for you at this point to look innocent.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened, but if there truly was one member of the alliance still standing when you claimed it, that means that according to your arbitrary moral rules you stole the claim, just as they did later on. Additionally, Myst, who I also do not know and don't mean to insult, could have avoided the situation of the lost claim by using a spell more logical to claim a mob than FireIV (stun comes to mind...)

I understand you being frustrated, I really do, but yelling at them and posting insults on a public forum is really not in good taste, especially when you aren't entirely innocent in the situation.