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honestly i enjoy burn pt "if" ppl knows what they are doing.
+70 i useally try to force SC-MB whenever i can ( non-directly most of the time ) whenever i can i end up darkness/light SC ( even if no blm in pt , some rdms love to mb for the fun of it ) unless there is no point on it ( other ws dmg enough to kill and mobs die fast )

pre-70 its just dumb to not SC ( if you have blm anyway ), TP burning crawlers sucks ( again unless everyone knows what to do )even colibri can be SC-MB (they reflect one magic only ,toss a silence before SC + MB and they will reflect only "Silence" )

conquest areas should be enhanced ,so ppl can exp there again , SE may add new type of mobs with "take double dmg only if SC+MB and gives double exp" , or make it like a signet effect.

but honestly , TOAH gives us easy camps to get exp for "all jobs", you can merit with any jobs effectivily ( refresher + healer + nin or war or pld + 3 other melees, last pt i was in: thf(me) nin drg pup whm brd, made 14-15k/hour and had fun ), SE want us to finish up with merits and focus on other things ( sky/sea/salvage/w.e/w.e )

but anyway its really up to you to play the game as you want, but for me i like to adapt myself to pt setup/ mobs , if its TP burnable i'd go with that , if MB works better then fine for me.

I agree with the OP, and I'll only use my bard for merit parties with my LS. Otherwise I'll go on my monk for outsiders to merit.

To be a bard in a pick up party, you are opening yourself up, more times than not, to be treated like a monkey.

Understand that refreshing your mages, then casting 2 songs on your melee, then running in highly populated areas of other TP burn parties to snag a mob, bring it back, run out and grab another, sleep it, run our grab another and sleep it, cast refresh, cast 2 songs on the melee, run out yaddah yaddah yaddah---it is the most exhausting experience.

While all this is going on, you make sure everyone has their songs, and the mobs are in their lap and slept securely. If 2 seconds goes by and a song wears on a person, I will hear the whines and the cries. Always. If they break the chain, I get blamed. Not because they couldn't kill it fast enough, no....never.
Honestly, chain 3 looks about the same as a chain 30 in experience points.

I do miss the old ways of SATA, skill chains and MB's. It's unheard of. What we ave on our hands is a lot of players who don't know the art of their jobs.

I want to "Old School" party! ; ;
I've been playing for nearly two years and learned the old style party setup and methods. I enjoy those kind of parties so much more. More thinking and working with the other party members and less "automated" smashing of mobs. It's been so long since I participated in a thought-out skill chain that when I do "accidentally" produce one, I have no idea who I did it with or what skill they used. I have a 2 second delay on all of my ws macro's and text to precede the ws for the express purpose of skill chaining. But no one does it any more ... it just, "ws at will". Magic bursts are pretty much unheard of now, unless a rdm accidentally makes one.
A blm in a party seems to be a no-no. And there's an irony to that. No one wants to invite blm's to xp parties, so it is difficult and time consuming for the blm's to get their levels (soloing). There are very few burn parties, as the number of ppl leveling blm becomes fewer and fewer. The ironic part is that ppl expect there to be a decent supply of high level blm's in endgame, but they are not willing to invite them to xp parties so they can get to those high levels. I miss blm's. ; ;

A typical party set up of yesteryear was:
A healer
A refresher
A nuker
A tank
And 2 melees (one being a thf or rng for pull)
Thought out skillchains and MB's were the norm.
SATA was a must when a thf was in the party.


A typical party set up now:
A healer
A refresher
(so very often the healer is a rdm/whm and the refresher is a brd, who also pulls)
A tank (usually a nin)
And 3 melee's
(often it is a multi-warrior party and the war's share tanking)
Skillchains and MB's are accidents.

Getting fast xp is ok, to a point. But the fun is replaced with a repetative routine that quickly becomes boring. You lose a lot of what this game has to offer ... the fun and mind-exercising experiences. Any bum can smash mobs, good players make an art of it.

Edited, Jul 7th 2007 3:47pm by ElijahBismarck

And yet days later I am still in shock that we won that last run
considering the Japanese players and the White Mage that was with
us said this was going to be their last runs too. I was ready to
go at it all night if we needed to :3

**** on your Dynamis

I don't have a witty response for you, nor do I have any words of
encouragement for you and I am not intending on my response sounding
like I am above anyone. But you seem to have utterly missed the point
of this thread.

It's not so much the omgzzzzZZZorzZZ1337mashweaponskillzzZzTPTPTBURNGOGO
that I find irritating it's the lost sense of "fun" and that little
hidden factor of being able to be in a position to afford other player of
non demanded jobs the opportunity to play and have fun in this game too.

People like you (when I say you I mean this as a broad generalization
and not entirely directed at you specifically) are quick to go slap
around some mobs with a RDM and a BRD or COR most of the time and are
completely happy with your 1337 exp.

But who do you depend on when you want your sky or god even relic
equipment? When is the last time you had a BLM or a PLD or a WHM
or heaven forbid a DRG in your awesome uber exp party?

Are you forgetting that all that curing generates a massive amount
of hate that leads ultimately to a death or two? Even with reraise
III those add up to a lot over time... what about those super cool
BLM's who we all depend on for things that require a quick shot of
death or massive damage in a small amount of time. Does Dynamis or
HNM's even SKY ring a bell?

How many times in a week do your tell your BLM friend "Hey let's go
exp!"? There is no amount of raise levels tiers or whatnot to compensate
for the fact that even with a full BLM party you will still spend more
time as a BLM trying to recover that lost exp "alone" than in a group.
Why? Because you don't fit in what most people consider to be their leet
merit party. We all know that DRG/SAM is vicious but does anyone give
them any consideration? Hell DRG anything is worth more than a lot of
things I can think of in the game right now.

What about those PLD's that most people laugh at yet beg to be around
when it comes to situations that are to numerous to even begin to list.
Ninja is not your all encompassing answer to everything.

I really think you should reconsider what you said. It is not a question
of morals it is a question of practicality.

What will you do when certain job classes that you depend on are no
longer coming to your events because they can't get a decent party to
recover their lost exp?

What good will your 25k exp per hour parties do you then?
Will warriors and other miscellaneous DD's start subbing healing power
to compensate?

And don't even get me started on thief... I could go on and on but the truth
is that such and such exp per hour of enormous proportions mean absolutely
nothing to someone like me. And there are tons of people out there like me.

Don't get me wrong I have ToAU but like I have said time and again
I prefer to not exp in those areas that is my choice which leaves
everyone who would prefer to exp with the job/s that I have with a
decision to make.

I have gotten so many interesting albeit negative comments about my
stance in game but it doesn't bother me because when there are 60
DD's lfg and 1 RDM/WHM/BRD looking for a party who do you think is
going to make that party and decide where they are going, and make
sure that party is going to understand where they will be exping at.

I applaud the rest of you who came forward in this thread and said you
too miss the old days of partying in the old areas and having normal
type parties but are you doing anything to encourage the return to
the ways of playing the game that required some skill or am I the
only one running around with this in my search comment when I am on?





There are so many threads on countless forums all relating how ToAU took
everyone out of the old areas but the truth is we the players did this
ourselves and we have no one to blame but ourselves for this. People reply
saying that it is SE's responsibility to turn around and invent new ways
of encouraging us to return to the old areas. Look at the awesome Wildcat
Quests and the incredible changes to Signet that were made. Yet people still
claim that this is not enough and they want more.

So what have I been doing with my time? Playing solo now mostly because
I'm leveling BLM and hey look at that I no longer fit into that uber PT
mentality....

Most people who play this game are either sheep or herders... Which will
you be? Which will you all be? Change starts with the player not the game.
That could be the newest concept ever to be introduced to a game.


oh for fucks sake it's way past my bedtime now -_-zzZ

Edited, Jul 12th 2007 2:18pm by ZanderBismarck

My two cents:

What this pretty much boils down to is changing of the times. Burn parties have soared since the release of ToUA. Personally, I can't stand the expansion as a whole. The new areas are so over-populated, and people get so stubborn about "omG! The exp is uber there! We'll go to the Mire, regardless of the fact that there are atleast 100+ people there!" which I can't stand. So usually, I have parties that group up and compete in cramped areas, while areas like Bibiki Bay, sky, and other old-school areas are completely empty.

Don't get me wrong, however. Being a DRK, invites aren't exactly the fastest that I've seen, and not belonging to a steady LS doesn't help the matter, so I'm greatful for the EXP that I've gotten, and even more-so on the fact that in 3 levels DRK will be the 2nd job to 75. As sucky as the new trend of things are, sometimes to get along, you have to go along...

Cross server forum posting (I caught this post title). I think that the OP has actually 2 complaints, one is about his concern of job bias, but another one people have not discussed is people are bitter and take out on person who don't "let them get their way." I think OP is getting alot of "hate tells" because of him being seeking in a rather useful job, and said no to the invite.

If someone does not want to join your PT, just leave that person alone. Don't think that person as "guilty" of causing your PT to not to work out.

I'm going to try a little experiment, maybe tonight, and some of you other melee's who support the return of the traditional party setup and techniques might want to try this too. Would also work for Bard's and Red Mages.

Below is copied from my blog and only slightly edited for posting here:

I have a 75 warrior and I need to merit like mad to bring the character up to the endgame standards ... barring spending gils I don't have on teh uberest gears. Tonight, if I decide to lfp, this will appear in my /seacom.

HP: {Port Bastok} RP: 6/6
Skillchain/Magic Burst: {Yes Please!}
TP Burn: X {Please invite me!}

I bet I, either, don't get any invites or I get /tell's, similar to those Zander got, saying, "You're joking, right?". No, I am not. Last night I was with a couple of friends in Kuftal skilling up h2h. Yea, warrior h2h ... it's pretty cool, but we don't get all the ws's that a monk does, /cry. Anyhoo, we were doing skillchains every couple of minutes ... some 2 tier. And OMGWTF, it was FUN!!! Heaven forbid we should have that kind of fun in an xp/merit party.

I am officially on the picket line!

Just a wee note: HP: {Port Bastok} does not mean "long boat ride to Whitegate". There is this convenient little Tarutaru near the HP crystal in Port Bastok that will tele me to Whitegate for a meer 300 gil. I don't know why this new feature hasn't caught on any more than it has. Sure would help cut down on the lag and congestion in Whitegate.

I usually just put, Warp>Aht Urgahn Whitegate instead of where my homepoint is. Its less confusing to the general public.

pre-TOAH exp pts ( and correct me if i'm wrong )

war burn pt @ sky ( sometimes they invite drks for stun )
mnk burn pt @ KRT.
normal exp pt @ BB

not sure where did blms manaburned.
what i mean is ... most fast meriting PTs were TP burn or Manaburn or mnk burn.

@ least now i can lfp on my "thf" and get an invite, yes blms get less invites overall but i've pted with some with good skill , as long as its +9k/hour and everyone having fun idc.

i useally throw away my big ws for SC, ppl likes it sometimes ( rdm/drk aspir colibri after darkness, blm and rdm can work it out so rdm throw silence before blm finish casting )


silly.... but if you actually using rampage then you are pulling hate aka you are tanking for 10 sec unless someone else stole hate of you, so you gatta recast utsu: ichi/ni ( depend on how ****** your melees are ) by that time you should get 30-50 TP so i wander if getting the rest would give you time to actually read just a though :3 ( maybe thats why i end up tanking most of my pts as war even with no voke "unless its on sleeping mobs" which everyone should voke/ws @ start to pull hate of brd @ start , TP burn pts anyway )



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Well it really bores to two points, no :P?

1) TP burn is not the only way to PT, and certainly without flaws.
2) I have the choice not to join your way of PT.

I do both TP burns and regular PTs, but I can see TP burn is making more bad players than good -- melees that do not know hate control, soloist that does not know what to do when they ever join a group, and job bias (but I think job bias is always been there).

Let put it that way. I am more bothered with majority of the people are "TP-burn onry." It sure want me to slap someone that fires Rampage at the beginning of Omega-Ultima and then died (and subsequent losing the BC, and wasting everyone time), and BLM does not know how to MB.

We have your thoughts, now how about some grammer?jkjk