Ok so let me start this of by saying this is somewhat of a rant.
/rant on
What is it with some people these days thinking that spells like gravity and warp II are optional?
I realize that some of the xbox imigrants are players that previously were on PS2 or PC, but I'll be damned if after last night I party with the people who only played on the beta server without asking things like, "{Warp}II {do you have it?}" or "{Gravity} {Do you need it}".
Things that have come to be common place on our server are now considered optional...I mean come on Warp II is quested and Gravity is cheap, and if you don't want to pay for it go kill the lvl 20-27 mobs that drop it...ESPECIALLY when your lvl 50+.
If you have people like this in your LS or happen to have friends that only ever played on Xbox beta, or people in general that don't have these items, please do the server a favor and let them know that these items aren't "optional", they should have them.
/rant off
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lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
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Howdy Vaulout
Just a question on the beta ppls... they got to keep their characters?!
And I was wondering.. You said that Warp II was not optional?
Are you stating this for the BLM who switched over? Or to all people who should have BLM to 40?
Sorry if this seems stupid.. just watched that "Gay Bar" WoW video and im still kinda creeped out....
A lot.
Say hi to Belle :D
Just a question on the beta ppls... they got to keep their characters?!
And I was wondering.. You said that Warp II was not optional?
Are you stating this for the BLM who switched over? Or to all people who should have BLM to 40?
Sorry if this seems stupid.. just watched that "Gay Bar" WoW video and im still kinda creeped out....
A lot.
Say hi to Belle :D
I was saying that as a blm, if you are post 40, this is a free spell and you should learn it.
I mean come on, Windy fame may not be the fastest thing to get but you can farm for the sardines, or buy the coronets. It all comes down to how well you want to do your job and how much respect you have for yourself when it comes to being the best of the best.
I'm not asking a lvl 54 blm to have all the HQ staves, just Warp II.
And as above mentioned, if you are a rdm past lvl 50 without gravity because it's "too expensive", you haven't done the research on the spell. Just to let the lurkers know where to get it...
*courtesy of allakhazam*
Edited, Mon May 15 08:55:11 2006 by Vaulout
I mean come on, Windy fame may not be the fastest thing to get but you can farm for the sardines, or buy the coronets. It all comes down to how well you want to do your job and how much respect you have for yourself when it comes to being the best of the best.
I'm not asking a lvl 54 blm to have all the HQ staves, just Warp II.
And as above mentioned, if you are a rdm past lvl 50 without gravity because it's "too expensive", you haven't done the research on the spell. Just to let the lurkers know where to get it...
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* Ghoul (BLM) (Level: 20 - 27) (Buburimu Peninsula, Carpenters' Landing, Gusgen Mines, ...)
* Wendigo (BLM) (Level: 24 - 28) (Gusgen Mines, Horutoto Ruins Inner, Maze of Shakhrami, ...)
* Wendigo (BLM) (Level: 24 - 28) (Gusgen Mines, Horutoto Ruins Inner, Maze of Shakhrami, ...)
*courtesy of allakhazam*
Edited, Mon May 15 08:55:11 2006 by Vaulout
lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
http://vaulout.mybrute.com
Gravity is selling for 5k on Jeuno AH. I farmed afew scrolls and my highest job was 32DRG!
Edited, Mon May 15 08:49:32 2006 by sixoh
Edited, Mon May 15 08:49:32 2006 by sixoh
Anyone else remember when Bismarck first opened for NA? Recall how you had to ask every RDM you grouped with if they had Dispell before you could invite them? Or ask WHM if they had erase before you went to do spiders? And people would goggle at JP playing their 2nd job who had every single spell for every level and all +1 gear?
Shoe is on the other foot now and oh my, doesn't it fit strangely!? LOL, this is the in-game equivalent of comparing the buying power and experience of adults to little kids. It just doesn't work. Go easy on 'em. It's not that they're lacking gil to buy things or (probably) desire to play well. They probably just have no clue that spending a few weeks now and then acquiring a full spell set or nice upgrade is normal and expected in FFXI. They're probably dismayed that they can't afford a full set, don't know which spells are seen as mandatory, and are expecting a little sympathy for their plight.
OTH, I do agree that there is a serious lack of desire to properly prepare for things in FFXI. IMHO, this is more a result of other games not requiring any pre-work to fighting than anything else. How many other games have you ever played where you had to spend even 1/10th the time preparing to fight as you do in FFXI?
When will they learn? My guess is sometime between like level 40 and 50 -- same time when most people seemed to learn it back in the old days. If that fails, they'll surely learn when they start doing Promathia Missions.
Oh, and how can y'all help? I think it might be more of an eye opener for said noobs to hear folks talking about how much time we spend setting up for XP on a new job than to be constantly berated for lack of gear and spells. Hearing someone say they spent a week reading job-specific forums or gathering spells and gear to play a new sub-job to 40 might give them ideas. Hell, I spent about 1.5 years gathering gear and such to play NIN before I actually did it. Not full time gathering of course, just snagging nice buys off AH and camping stuff now and then. But that kind of story is (I think) more the kind of thing that might get some of the newer folk thinking that maybe they could or should do some prep, too.
Shoe is on the other foot now and oh my, doesn't it fit strangely!? LOL, this is the in-game equivalent of comparing the buying power and experience of adults to little kids. It just doesn't work. Go easy on 'em. It's not that they're lacking gil to buy things or (probably) desire to play well. They probably just have no clue that spending a few weeks now and then acquiring a full spell set or nice upgrade is normal and expected in FFXI. They're probably dismayed that they can't afford a full set, don't know which spells are seen as mandatory, and are expecting a little sympathy for their plight.
OTH, I do agree that there is a serious lack of desire to properly prepare for things in FFXI. IMHO, this is more a result of other games not requiring any pre-work to fighting than anything else. How many other games have you ever played where you had to spend even 1/10th the time preparing to fight as you do in FFXI?
When will they learn? My guess is sometime between like level 40 and 50 -- same time when most people seemed to learn it back in the old days. If that fails, they'll surely learn when they start doing Promathia Missions.
Oh, and how can y'all help? I think it might be more of an eye opener for said noobs to hear folks talking about how much time we spend setting up for XP on a new job than to be constantly berated for lack of gear and spells. Hearing someone say they spent a week reading job-specific forums or gathering spells and gear to play a new sub-job to 40 might give them ideas. Hell, I spent about 1.5 years gathering gear and such to play NIN before I actually did it. Not full time gathering of course, just snagging nice buys off AH and camping stuff now and then. But that kind of story is (I think) more the kind of thing that might get some of the newer folk thinking that maybe they could or should do some prep, too.
Hey all. Just wanted to add. I was the leader of Vaul's party friday night and it really was a difficult party. Most of the players did an AWESOME job!!! But the blm - now ok, I agree he should have had Warp II. It isn't hard to get. But the overnuking. Jeezes man. I don't know HOW MANY times he was casting tier III spells BEFORE the start of a skillchain.... ******** up hate, almost getting himself killed. And it's not like he didn't know what he was doing. He was all excited he got to learn Water III, so he spammed it 3 times per fight. On a crab... >.> (every blm should know that crabs are strong to water, and weak to ice and thunder.. but ANYWAY). That in itself made the party very stressful. We had to remind him time and time again not to spam so many hate-causing spells in a row, also not to cast them before a skillchain. (and he didn't land a single magic burst)...
And with the rdm - he wasn't too bad... I can relate to getting a spell-casting cycle started, and I (many-a-time) get screwed up with my Haste cycle... but Refresh... jeezes...We hardly ever had it. He also had to be reminded to use Dispel (almost every time), and him not having Gravity just was the icing on top of the cake....
Ok this is turning into a flame....I am sorry. But I share Vaul's frustration. I finally just said to the party "this isn't working out, we need to leave soon". Everyone leveled except Vaul and I - and that's ok. Who wants to grind out exp if you're not having any fun???
When spells are available via quests - there is no excuse to not acquiring them. I can understand if you are new to the game and you don't know the ins and outs.. But I'm thinking someone in earlier parties had to say something to these 2 individuals... "Hey man, you have Warp II yet?" or "Hey, did you happen to get Gravity?"......I find it hard to believe they'd never known about it.
My recommendation.... It may be fun, but don't lvl a mage job first. In my opinion, it's a lil cheaper to lvl a melee job before hand, and then when you are high enough, you can go start the quests for some spells, and actually take down the mobs that drop them. Also, ask for help. You don't know how many people may be shouting for the same help you may need in Jeuno. And ironically, some people [gasp] may want to help you. When I'm not in the mood to party, I sit in Jeuno and listen to help requests - and if I am high enough to help them, I will. There are many other people like that. Just have to ask. But please don't assume certain spells are optional. EVERYTHING in this game is available in some form or another, OTHER than getting it off the AH. Just a little research is required. If you don't feel like questing the item, then farm and save up the gil. Isn't that what most of ya'll did? (before the influx of RMT and all that crap?)
Ok I am done. Rate up to everyone; everyone had valid points and are respected.
btw, Heya Sorra!!! =)
And with the rdm - he wasn't too bad... I can relate to getting a spell-casting cycle started, and I (many-a-time) get screwed up with my Haste cycle... but Refresh... jeezes...We hardly ever had it. He also had to be reminded to use Dispel (almost every time), and him not having Gravity just was the icing on top of the cake....
Ok this is turning into a flame....I am sorry. But I share Vaul's frustration. I finally just said to the party "this isn't working out, we need to leave soon". Everyone leveled except Vaul and I - and that's ok. Who wants to grind out exp if you're not having any fun???
When spells are available via quests - there is no excuse to not acquiring them. I can understand if you are new to the game and you don't know the ins and outs.. But I'm thinking someone in earlier parties had to say something to these 2 individuals... "Hey man, you have Warp II yet?" or "Hey, did you happen to get Gravity?"......I find it hard to believe they'd never known about it.
My recommendation.... It may be fun, but don't lvl a mage job first. In my opinion, it's a lil cheaper to lvl a melee job before hand, and then when you are high enough, you can go start the quests for some spells, and actually take down the mobs that drop them. Also, ask for help. You don't know how many people may be shouting for the same help you may need in Jeuno. And ironically, some people [gasp] may want to help you. When I'm not in the mood to party, I sit in Jeuno and listen to help requests - and if I am high enough to help them, I will. There are many other people like that. Just have to ask. But please don't assume certain spells are optional. EVERYTHING in this game is available in some form or another, OTHER than getting it off the AH. Just a little research is required. If you don't feel like questing the item, then farm and save up the gil. Isn't that what most of ya'll did? (before the influx of RMT and all that crap?)
Ok I am done. Rate up to everyone; everyone had valid points and are respected.
btw, Heya Sorra!!! =)
I hate when RDM's dont cast gravity! Its -10or20 EVA. It is so helpful to all melee.
If you guys are leveling again and need a 54mnk send me an invite or tell.
If you guys are leveling again and need a 54mnk send me an invite or tell.
we'll most likely level tonight (unless we decide to do coffer runs).
I'll definately send you an invite. =)
I'll definately send you an invite. =)
If you demand Warp2 be cast on you at the end of a party please bring the scroll for the blm to learn it. If you want to be prepared and not look like a little kid who complains about someone offering them a convience bring a warp club 30-50k or get a warp scroll for under 1k cp points. I agree dispel and gravity should be 2 spells a rdm has but not because it helps you travle but helps with exp. You only need warp 2 for 2 reasons I can think of; 1 your too dumb to bring all your supplies and have to get sent back to town or 2 the parties over and heno longer owes you any services.
Noone actually said we "demanded" Warp II. It is still a convenient spell for a BLM to have, in my opinion. Just like if I, a WHM, didn't have Tele-port Altep spell learned. The first thing out of someone's mouth would be "OMG the WHM IS TEH SUCKORZ!!!11!!!!" and be flaming here on alla quicker than a bee to honey. While having Tele-port Altep is not "required" to have, it is a CONVENIENT spell to have. Yes, I understand, parties would not want a whm that can't take them to Quicksand Caves (and I have partied with such. Talk about a long *** ride on a chocobo...)
That's besides the point.
If a spell is easily questable, and you are levels beyond, there is still no excuse. Apparently, I'm told Holy sucks. It's not worth the mp, etc. I still have it. Know why? Because as a whm, I learn it at level 50. Just like at level 32, I had Erase. At level 40, I had Haste. etc etc. See my point?
It's this attitude I have seen all over the friggin server that Vaul and I are talking about. It's the "I can't afford it, so it's optional" attitude. Hmm.. Wanna level ninja? "I can't afford something other than shihei. Oh well, the rest of the tools are optional." What about Paladin? (this is extreme) "I can't afford Flash. Oh well, I'll get hate another way". What about Bard? "Well, I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford Mage's Ballad. Oh well, we'll have to make do." And take our RDM. "I couldn't afford Gravity. Your prices are more expensive here than they were on the beta server." (and with sixoh saying they are only 5k, I find it very hard to believe a level 54 rdm can't farm up enough for a 5k spell)
It is just annoying. Not being prepared. I understand a blm provides an incredible service at the end of a party to Warp everyone home. In fact, EVERY single party I have been in, that had a blm, as soon as the party agreed to disband, they OFFERED Warp 2 to everyone. No questions asked. It's just a nice "thank-you" if you will to your party members.
Maybe we take that spell for granted. From now on, as a party leader, I am going to have to ask if the blm has Warp 2, and if not, tell the rest of the party to make sure they have scrolls or cudgels. Same with asking the RDM if they have Gravity and Dispel.
I think Vaul was pissed because the blm overall was a detriment to the party, and then to top it off, he couldn't even warp anyone home. Most of the party members had scrolls and cudgels. Just one did not. So Vaul went to Rabeo, and changed to blm just so he could warp them home.
Ok, hopefully that clarified. Not trying to be mean. Just want everyone to know where we're coming from. Happy leveling!!! (Woo hoo 1 more hour of work! =D)
That's besides the point.
If a spell is easily questable, and you are levels beyond, there is still no excuse. Apparently, I'm told Holy sucks. It's not worth the mp, etc. I still have it. Know why? Because as a whm, I learn it at level 50. Just like at level 32, I had Erase. At level 40, I had Haste. etc etc. See my point?
It's this attitude I have seen all over the friggin server that Vaul and I are talking about. It's the "I can't afford it, so it's optional" attitude. Hmm.. Wanna level ninja? "I can't afford something other than shihei. Oh well, the rest of the tools are optional." What about Paladin? (this is extreme) "I can't afford Flash. Oh well, I'll get hate another way". What about Bard? "Well, I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford Mage's Ballad. Oh well, we'll have to make do." And take our RDM. "I couldn't afford Gravity. Your prices are more expensive here than they were on the beta server." (and with sixoh saying they are only 5k, I find it very hard to believe a level 54 rdm can't farm up enough for a 5k spell)
It is just annoying. Not being prepared. I understand a blm provides an incredible service at the end of a party to Warp everyone home. In fact, EVERY single party I have been in, that had a blm, as soon as the party agreed to disband, they OFFERED Warp 2 to everyone. No questions asked. It's just a nice "thank-you" if you will to your party members.
Maybe we take that spell for granted. From now on, as a party leader, I am going to have to ask if the blm has Warp 2, and if not, tell the rest of the party to make sure they have scrolls or cudgels. Same with asking the RDM if they have Gravity and Dispel.
I think Vaul was pissed because the blm overall was a detriment to the party, and then to top it off, he couldn't even warp anyone home. Most of the party members had scrolls and cudgels. Just one did not. So Vaul went to Rabeo, and changed to blm just so he could warp them home.
Ok, hopefully that clarified. Not trying to be mean. Just want everyone to know where we're coming from. Happy leveling!!! (Woo hoo 1 more hour of work! =D)
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If you demand Warp2 be cast on you at the end of a party please bring the scroll for the blm to learn it.
On the contrary, you should have it because it makes you more desireable to the party. Are you going to invite a blm with or without it? I just forgot that we HAVE to ask now, you'd think that 2+ months on a beta server to learn about the job would be enough, guess i have to go back to accomodating for the lowest common denominator.
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If you want to be prepared and not look like a little kid who complains about someone offering them a convience bring a warp club 30-50k or get a warp scroll for under 1k cp points.
I do that normally, or just use my 2hr as my ghetto warp. It was really just the icing on the cake for the entire night. I was frustrated and angry because of this situation. Tell me you've never been frustrated with this game and some of the people who play it. If you've never had that problem good, I wish you the best and hope you never have to deal with it.
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You only need warp 2 for 2 reasons I can think of; 1 your too dumb to bring all your supplies and have to get sent back to town or 2 the parties over and he no longer owes you any services.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but when the melee who don't have the luxury of space due to equipment to swap for different situations(mnk, thf, and me the nin), stacks of arrows for pulling(thf) or surikens for added hate control(me), stacks of toolbags and tools(me), and stacks of food for a long party(everyone), need a way home the blm should be able to provide that service. What you're saying is equivalent to a whm not having a teleport spell that you would need to get to an exp area faster...and i've read those rants.
I don't ask for Warp II because I "deserve it", I ask for my convenience and that of my other Party members. I've seen it from melee and mage point of view. No i don't have an endgame job, no I don't think i'm the god of all gods at my job, but jesus it's a Farking quested spell.
rate me up, rate me down, i don't care because it's how I feel. I thought this site was an outlet for that kind of thing.
lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
http://vaulout.mybrute.com
Oh and to add to the last comment, ran to rabao switched to blm and D2'd everyone who needed it. Why you ask? Because I can.
Edited, Mon May 15 16:09:57 2006 by Vaulout
Edited, Mon May 15 16:09:57 2006 by Vaulout
lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
http://vaulout.mybrute.com
as a blm , a always offer to D2 when we disband...
but that one day, one guy was being really annoying. Always telling me to cast a spell ( even when i was already casting it ) (ex: stun) , telling me to med mp if i took more than 3 sec to kneel after the fight was ended. I missed a MB ONCE because of a phone call and that guy called me noob and told me that if i couldnt do my job than i should leave... etc... really stupid one... but as I always do, I remained silent. I didnt say a word about anything he said to me.
but when the disband party time arrived , I offer to D2. 2 members said no thanks and used a warp cudgel/scroll the 3 others (including the annoying guy) said yesplease.
I warped the 2 that didnt annoyed me ... and i warp myself... leaving the Iknoweverythingbetterthatyou guy alone in bibiki bay.
I dont know if he sent me /tell after this because he was already blacklisted.
We dont own anything to anyone in that game...
so ... maybe ... we should all be nice to the blm in our party :)
but that one day, one guy was being really annoying. Always telling me to cast a spell ( even when i was already casting it ) (ex: stun) , telling me to med mp if i took more than 3 sec to kneel after the fight was ended. I missed a MB ONCE because of a phone call and that guy called me noob and told me that if i couldnt do my job than i should leave... etc... really stupid one... but as I always do, I remained silent. I didnt say a word about anything he said to me.
but when the disband party time arrived , I offer to D2. 2 members said no thanks and used a warp cudgel/scroll the 3 others (including the annoying guy) said yesplease.
I warped the 2 that didnt annoyed me ... and i warp myself... leaving the Iknoweverythingbetterthatyou guy alone in bibiki bay.
I dont know if he sent me /tell after this because he was already blacklisted.
We dont own anything to anyone in that game...
so ... maybe ... we should all be nice to the blm in our party :)
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so ... maybe ... we should all be nice to the blm in our party :)
I agree, that's why now we static with a LS blm named Thadin. He never skips a beat and is an awesome blm. Not to mention he has a killer sense of humor.
lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
http://vaulout.mybrute.com
Dispel and gravity are given.
But d2 isnt a must is it? I mean really? Is it? I dont think not having warp 2 is that big of a deal. The quest IS kinda hard, and I only got the scroll myself because I'm from windy and did every quest I could to get my Promise Badge. But the quest is out in the middle of fei yin. And I STILL dont know how to get to that damn place off hand. And it costs a pretty penny in the AH.
1 extra slot for a warp scroll from the CP npc?
I guess cause i've always had warp handy. And when I dont. I dont expect to get warped unless I die or have a scroll. The blm was a not a skilled blk for other reasons you gave...but not having the scroll eh...
All the other examples are no brainers cause it effects how you preform in the party. Erase...those nin spells...all those are needed for battle. D2 not so much.
But d2 isnt a must is it? I mean really? Is it? I dont think not having warp 2 is that big of a deal. The quest IS kinda hard, and I only got the scroll myself because I'm from windy and did every quest I could to get my Promise Badge. But the quest is out in the middle of fei yin. And I STILL dont know how to get to that damn place off hand. And it costs a pretty penny in the AH.
1 extra slot for a warp scroll from the CP npc?
I guess cause i've always had warp handy. And when I dont. I dont expect to get warped unless I die or have a scroll. The blm was a not a skilled blk for other reasons you gave...but not having the scroll eh...
All the other examples are no brainers cause it effects how you preform in the party. Erase...those nin spells...all those are needed for battle. D2 not so much.
Warp II pays for itself and then some when you get all the crystals/seals after warping everyone else out of the zone. :D
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Warp II pays for itself and then some when you get all the crystals/seals after warping everyone else out of the zone. :D
hehe why do we offer to D2 in the first place? ;P
You know, I thought it was just me that realized how many KSes and BSes I've gotten post-d2 <_<
Easy to judge a whole group by one person's actions isn't it? If I wasn't from the server and I saw your post Vaulout, I would think that Bismarck players were a bunch of whiners. Not fair is it?
A couple of people playing galkas the other day sucked at their jobs so all galkas must suck.
A couple of people playing galkas the other day sucked at their jobs so all galkas must suck.
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Easy to judge a whole group by one person's actions isn't it? If I wasn't from the server and I saw your post Vaulout, I would think that Bismarck players were a bunch of whiners. Not fair is it?
A couple of people playing galkas the other day sucked at their jobs so all galkas must suck.
A couple of people playing galkas the other day sucked at their jobs so all galkas must suck.
Apparently you didn't fully read the post. I titled the post with the word "Some", meaning not all. Had I said "All" I could see where your argument would come from.
To explain, further than I already have, the party we were in wasn't god awful. It was average at best though. The xbox players that we had invited(read: 2 players) were not fully prepared. I was disappointed that people of that level didn't fully understand hate control, enfeebling a mob, or take the time to procure the spells their job is known to have.
Would you expect a level 54 red mage to have gravity? Would you expect a level 54 black mage to have warp II?(read: not expect to recieve a warp II, but to at least HAVE the spell) if you can honestly answer those questions with a no then I am sorry that you wasted your time reading any of the previous posts.
But before you flame, please read carefully, don't look over the words that distance the majority from the minority. This is a message board, so I was leaving a message of my partying and wondering if anyone else had run into this problem.
lolgaxe wrote:
Thumping your chest for high parses against Colibri is like saying you outran the fastest man in the world after the guy broke his leg.
http://vaulout.mybrute.com
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Warp II pays for itself and then some when you get all the crystals/seals after warping everyone else out of the zone. :D
Damn it Tatl! Stop giving away all our blm secrets >.>;
(pssstttt! also someone once told me that over casting nukes will cause hate control issues in an avatar prime fight, so be warned >.> )
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I'm sorry you feel this way, but when the melee who don't have the luxury of space due to equipment to swap for different situations(mnk, thf, and me the nin), stacks of arrows for pulling(thf) or surikens for added hate control(me), stacks of toolbags and tools(me), and stacks of food for a long party(everyone), need a way home the blm should be able to provide that service. What you're saying is equivalent to a whm not having a teleport spell that you would need to get to an exp area faster...and i've read those rants.
You tend to forget that Teleports and Warp have the opposite effect when considering EXP. Generally speaking, Teleports are used to GET people to an area. Warps are given at the end of a PT, or when someone is leaving. So no, they're not the same. Also, what would you/they have done if you were in a party with a BLM who DC'ed?
You can't count an everyone to cover you all the time. It's easier to get the damn scroll and cover your own *** than wait and **** and moan when it turns out the BLM doesn't have Warp II. This applies to everyone.
And don't even bring up inventory space. Warp Cudgel or a Scroll of Instant Warp. One inventory space. If they can't spare one space, they need to look into some Gobbiebag quests.
I believe that the point that Vaulout was trying to make is that the some of new crop of players, who are mainly coming from the Xbox 360, are being lazy. Gravity is a spell that RDM get at 21. That means this RDM have 33 levels to save up the 5k it cost at the AH to get it. WarpII is free for the quest and BLM get it at level 40. That is a 14 level gap to get it. The quest is not that hard and takes like an hour to do. He is not ******** or whining about how the black mage was unable to give him his D2; he was clearly making a point about how the BLM was missing the spell 14 levels after it was learned. Its like your WHM saying "Oh sorry I didnt realize I had to buy Raise 2 or 3 because I already have Raise 1" when they are at level 73 or inviting a NIN to an exp party and finding out that they do not have Utsusesmi:Ichi at level 34 or better yet Hojo:Ichi or Ni at level 65+. Vaulout didn't seem to be ******** and whining about his lack of D2. He seemed to be stunned about how some of the new players seem to play their job gimply and don't really care about how it effects their exp pt. I mean honestly, would you invite that BLM or RDM to your exp pt? Or any job that is missing a spell that they should have learned 20+ levels ago?
Tele's are used at end of parties too sometimes, don't forget that.NOT just in the beginning. Also, I don't see why there is even a discussion in the first place. Warp takes 2 seconds of your time and a little MP, so for those of you using the 'Well they shouldn't have to cover you all the time' (not specifically picking on the post two above mine, just couldn't remember how I wanted to phrase this and his/hers was the first post I looked at), it doesn't quite fly. I understand some people don't have it, and its inconvenient and I believe everyone should be up to day on all their gear/spells/songs/etc, every single level because that is what playing your job to the fullest means, but frankly if you don't have it, it's just that, an inconvenience. But those of you arguing the other side, shouldn't be saying 'well tough, arrange your own transportation', if your unwilling to get a spell for your job that takes literally 5-10seconds to cast and the cost is MP *gasp* guess what! You Can Get MP Back! I know, I never knew that either.
"That's all I got to say about that."
Edited, Fri May 26 08:03:20 2006 by Gamion
"That's all I got to say about that."
Edited, Fri May 26 08:03:20 2006 by Gamion
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Apparently you didn't fully read the post. I titled the post with the word "Some", meaning not all. Had I said "All" I could see where your argument would come from.
Same thing. You're still judging a group of people. The size of the group is irrelevant. I've seen PC players without what YOU deem "necessary" spells. I've seen PS2 players that are the same as well. So why target XBox players and not everyone entirely? How about you think about the real situation before you decide to make another thread like this. I'm sure that you're capable of understanding what I'm saying so I don't need to add another example.
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So why target XBox players and not everyone entirely?
Because he had a party with... two... XBox 360... players?
Goddammit I know there's a catch to this question and I don't know what it is!
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