Hello Bismark,
Yesterday, i was in jeuno and see a shouting about mission CoP 3-5 and i ask if they need paladin (done all CoP with my paladin, and i do very well on each). To person respond to me, don't remember the exact word but he just tell me, no one need paladin for anything, like we are useless.
I know some people dont like certain job, but i think each job have is utility in the FFXI. Next time if you shout for a mission and someone ask to come, if you don't like to job please don't be mean, just say no. Decline politely please.
Good bye and good journey. Sorry for grammar and syntax, english is not my primary language.
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I love pallys 
You guys hold hate great when I'm playing BLM or RNG 
Edited, Tue Nov 29 08:54:45 2005 by Wintaru
You guys hold hate great when I'm playing BLM or RNG 
Edited, Tue Nov 29 08:54:45 2005 by Wintaru
People hate paladins because it means that they have to actually have a strategy and have to work in the party. A white mage gets to slack in a ninja party which is why it's common to see a rdm/whm in later parties. People are just stupid
If you think that's hard, just try and get your promys done as a DRG >.>
i know, DRG, DRK, PLD are some of the job people are afraid to use in CoP mission because is a little more challenging. Need more strategie. That why when i make a party exp or mission, i always try to pick a DRG, DRK because i know people are in same situation as me
if i am to start a PT and theres a PLD that seeking a PT ill take them and i think it is stupid that people hate PLD's and they should be slap {/slap stupid Poeple} and if i start doing those and see a PLD ill take them
I think it's stupid as well. It is my full intention to do each of the Promyvions...one as a dragoon, one as a dark knight, one as a red mage, and will have a paladin tank for them.
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Yesterday, i was in jeuno and see a shouting about mission CoP 3-5 and i ask if they need paladin (done all CoP with my paladin, and i do very well on each). To person respond to me, don't remember the exact word but he just tell me, no one need paladin for anything, like we are useless.
I would never, never, never do 3-5 without a PLD. Maybe it's just me, but our LS has some kick as Pallies and we had very good luck doing Diabolos with them.
Not to mention 5 consecutive wins vs Ouryu with Pld. (that was an awesome night) :P
Those level cap BC fight are annoy, most time it takes people 10 minutes to mule gears and spend 50k-100k(or even more) to buy items for BC. Thats why people dont want to lose and do it again. They want to beat the BC once for sure. So, they invite blm and smn only, use the best stratgies they konw.
PLD was the only job I have, and I beat COP with it. Most fight I would perfer PLD as tank, but few of the fight they were rough for PLD. I guess its depend on how you play.
PLD was the only job I have, and I beat COP with it. Most fight I would perfer PLD as tank, but few of the fight they were rough for PLD. I guess its depend on how you play.
Amazing how ignorant some people can be.
When it comes to a PM mission that I was organizing and running, I made sure that we had an excellant tank.
First Akir, then Blades, and finally Pinoy.
What do they all have in common?
They are all Paladins.
For all the PMs (minus one), a Paladin is my preferred tank of choice. They can take damage better than a Ninja, and I don't have to worry about counting shadows so I know when to flash the bc mobs and possibly tipping my personal hate level over into where I get whacked to death (as a White Mage).
So please, keep at it. Someone'll recognize you're job's worth in missions^^
Edited, Mon Nov 28 17:53:04 2005 by Nightsintdreams
When it comes to a PM mission that I was organizing and running, I made sure that we had an excellant tank.
First Akir, then Blades, and finally Pinoy.
What do they all have in common?
They are all Paladins.
For all the PMs (minus one), a Paladin is my preferred tank of choice. They can take damage better than a Ninja, and I don't have to worry about counting shadows so I know when to flash the bc mobs and possibly tipping my personal hate level over into where I get whacked to death (as a White Mage).
So please, keep at it. Someone'll recognize you're job's worth in missions^^
Edited, Mon Nov 28 17:53:04 2005 by Nightsintdreams
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Ill take a pally over a NIN tank anyday
As a monk I always prefered a Paladin tank. With Ninja tanks I felt like I had to hold back more. As a thief, well either one works for me. Some people are just so set on those cookie cutter set ups I guess.
As a Rdm I just feel extremely bored with a Nin tank if i'm not main healing. Nin can enfeeb so I usually spend time figuring our what the mob doesnt already have.
If the Paladin isnt Screaming refresh all the time then I'd rather a PLD tank than a nin. But thats just personal choice.
If the Paladin isnt Screaming refresh all the time then I'd rather a PLD tank than a nin. But thats just personal choice.
To be Honest, In XP i would Much Rather Prefer a NIN tank Just because a Good NIN Tank can really facilitates easier Chains and Better XP/hr Stats. Not Saying a PLD cannot do the same but its easier with a NIN.
However Vs Certain Types of Mobs/ Party Setups PLD tanks are better. For Example as a BLM i much rather a PLD tank just so i can nuke w/o worrying too much about Taking Hate, however as a SMN i much rather a NIN tank since i can Possibly (depending how the NIN keeps shadows up) play Summoner and not Pseudo WHM.
Ppl can Argue all day about which job is better. But IMO at least its all situational.
However Vs Certain Types of Mobs/ Party Setups PLD tanks are better. For Example as a BLM i much rather a PLD tank just so i can nuke w/o worrying too much about Taking Hate, however as a SMN i much rather a NIN tank since i can Possibly (depending how the NIN keeps shadows up) play Summoner and not Pseudo WHM.
Ppl can Argue all day about which job is better. But IMO at least its all situational.
I've played both and honestly, Machtaru has the right idea on this one. NIN and PLD pts have to play completely different to unleash their full potential.
The only advantage of being a NIN is I don't have to sit between mobs, and the puller can pull whenever they choose to. All DD's have to stay below the hate threshold as a NIN, which I honestly dont like doing(even with a THF, a good WAR can pull SATA hate off me with provoke and warcry). I do better damage as a NIN, but my parser only shows about a 5% difference between the two job classes so i consider my damage with either class to be a bonus and nothing more.
With a PLD tank, yes I have to rest between mobs, but isn't that why SE gives us a small amount of time between chains? I need a smart puller rather than smart DD's when I play PLD...someone who knows when we need to kill the next mob to keep the chain going, but lets me get as much MP as possible between fights (not going too fast so I run out of MP). I love playing PLD because hate is never an issue, and DD's (including BLM :D) can go all out!
As always, it's not that one job is better than the other, it's all about who is behind the screen on the other side. Anyone who would not invite me because "PLD's suck" or "NIN can't hold hate" can go ahead and keep looking for their choice of tank. Their loss.
I honestly reccomend for all of you that do show a preference for either PLD or NIN to try both jobs and discover their strengths and weaknesses for yourself. It can be an eye-opening experience.
The only advantage of being a NIN is I don't have to sit between mobs, and the puller can pull whenever they choose to. All DD's have to stay below the hate threshold as a NIN, which I honestly dont like doing(even with a THF, a good WAR can pull SATA hate off me with provoke and warcry). I do better damage as a NIN, but my parser only shows about a 5% difference between the two job classes so i consider my damage with either class to be a bonus and nothing more.
With a PLD tank, yes I have to rest between mobs, but isn't that why SE gives us a small amount of time between chains? I need a smart puller rather than smart DD's when I play PLD...someone who knows when we need to kill the next mob to keep the chain going, but lets me get as much MP as possible between fights (not going too fast so I run out of MP). I love playing PLD because hate is never an issue, and DD's (including BLM :D) can go all out!
As always, it's not that one job is better than the other, it's all about who is behind the screen on the other side. Anyone who would not invite me because "PLD's suck" or "NIN can't hold hate" can go ahead and keep looking for their choice of tank. Their loss.
I honestly reccomend for all of you that do show a preference for either PLD or NIN to try both jobs and discover their strengths and weaknesses for yourself. It can be an eye-opening experience.
I went into attempt #8 at Promy-Holla with an unconventional setup: WHM, BLM, RNGx2, BST, PLD. Our PLD did an absolutely beautiful job at holding hate from a BLM and two RNGs.
It's funny how the unconventional setup won, and with no deaths at that, where other traditional Promy setups hadn't. Sure there were other factors (tons of experience and tons of anima), but I think the tank choice was a huge factor in the fight.
I like PLDs and NINs pretty equally when it comes to tanking. They both have their strengths, and like Drowzorez said, it's really all about tailoring the rest of your strategy to those strengths.
It's funny how the unconventional setup won, and with no deaths at that, where other traditional Promy setups hadn't. Sure there were other factors (tons of experience and tons of anima), but I think the tank choice was a huge factor in the fight.
I like PLDs and NINs pretty equally when it comes to tanking. They both have their strengths, and like Drowzorez said, it's really all about tailoring the rest of your strategy to those strengths.
I may get some flax from this, but when don't I? *lol*
Before I had a set tank that I lvled my WHM with, I lvled about 5 parties with different PLDs .. I swore them off. Never again will I PT with a PLD as a whm. I'm sorry, I love the job (PLD that is).. when I am something other then main healer. The reason being is that I have noticed that the PLDs I PTed with back when I was say 40-55 could not manage their MP. They would either over heal themselves.. or wouldn't heal themselves at all. They were horrible PTs.
The set tank I have right now also has a lvl 62 PLD. To be honest when I was lvling my Samurai I LOVED to play with him.. he was a great PLD.. everyone thought so. But as a main healer.. I couldn't handle the haphazard nature of the plds that I pted with. I'm not trying to say all PLDs are like that because I know they aren't. That was just my experience.
As for being a WHM with a nin tank. People think that I don't do anything in my PTs. If you have ever PTed with me as a whm you know that I am quick with any status removing spell, erase, haste, and heals for anyone that needs them. I don't think I'm great, but I think I am a good whm. I just don't like the idea that people think WHMs don't do anything with a NIN tank.
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Edited, Tue Nov 29 14:27:57 2005 by JadenNyte
Before I had a set tank that I lvled my WHM with, I lvled about 5 parties with different PLDs .. I swore them off. Never again will I PT with a PLD as a whm. I'm sorry, I love the job (PLD that is).. when I am something other then main healer. The reason being is that I have noticed that the PLDs I PTed with back when I was say 40-55 could not manage their MP. They would either over heal themselves.. or wouldn't heal themselves at all. They were horrible PTs.
The set tank I have right now also has a lvl 62 PLD. To be honest when I was lvling my Samurai I LOVED to play with him.. he was a great PLD.. everyone thought so. But as a main healer.. I couldn't handle the haphazard nature of the plds that I pted with. I'm not trying to say all PLDs are like that because I know they aren't. That was just my experience.
As for being a WHM with a nin tank. People think that I don't do anything in my PTs. If you have ever PTed with me as a whm you know that I am quick with any status removing spell, erase, haste, and heals for anyone that needs them. I don't think I'm great, but I think I am a good whm. I just don't like the idea that people think WHMs don't do anything with a NIN tank.
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Edited, Tue Nov 29 14:27:57 2005 by JadenNyte
i prefer to pt with a pld. for one simple reason as a drk i dont like tanking. i dont give a damn how good that ninja is or how much hate the thf san TA onto them i always end up tanking with ninja tank. and you cant give me that crap line "you havent pted with a good ninja" cause i have. with a ninjas shadows eating away their eminty and the mob eating their shaadows away even faster it easy for anyone to get hate from them without trying. then there are AoE take off all them shadows and then i have to voke to get hate and tank and by the time ninjas get utsusemi back up its too late im tank for the rest of the fight or until i die.
kinda funny a nin takes a hit about as good as a drk but a drk can manage hate better, but you never see a drk main tanking do you?
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I just don't like the idea that people think WHMs don't do anything with a NIN tank.
kinda funny a nin takes a hit about as good as a drk but a drk can manage hate better, but you never see a drk main tanking do you?
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This is issue is kind of dear to me. Its one of the reasons why I have rarely tried to xp for merits on my 75 PLD anymore. I had no issues with PLD haters at lower levels, but at 70+ everyone wants manaburns, bone pties, or ninja tanks it seems. Same with for BCNM mission or other special events. People keep throwing ninja's at the problems.
But I'm not posting to bash ninjas or to say paladin's are godly tanks. Neither is the case. Both can be used for almost every situation. They just require different strategies.
However Jadennyte inadvertently hit the crux of the problem. It transcends the great tank debate, it effects every job. Jadennyte while I doubt she meant to, shows the main problem with a lot of players in the game. They develop a bias based on a job. They assume 'well if this one player plays this job poorly then everyone one else who plays that job also does it poorly.' Or that the job is entirely worthless.
it doesn't matter if its nin v. pld, one melee v. another melee, whm v. rdm, rdm v. brd, etc. People develop the bias based on a job instead of based on a player.
The point is give everyone a fair chance. If you had a problem with John Doe as a pld don't play with John Doe again. If Jane Smith was a lousy ninja, don't penalize Sally Jones cause she plays the same job. People spend too much time, effort and emotion in leveling their jobs to be dismissed because ELITISTS think they are inferior cause of the bad experiences they had with another player(s) who happened to have the same job.
But I'm not posting to bash ninjas or to say paladin's are godly tanks. Neither is the case. Both can be used for almost every situation. They just require different strategies.
However Jadennyte inadvertently hit the crux of the problem. It transcends the great tank debate, it effects every job. Jadennyte while I doubt she meant to, shows the main problem with a lot of players in the game. They develop a bias based on a job. They assume 'well if this one player plays this job poorly then everyone one else who plays that job also does it poorly.' Or that the job is entirely worthless.
it doesn't matter if its nin v. pld, one melee v. another melee, whm v. rdm, rdm v. brd, etc. People develop the bias based on a job instead of based on a player.
The point is give everyone a fair chance. If you had a problem with John Doe as a pld don't play with John Doe again. If Jane Smith was a lousy ninja, don't penalize Sally Jones cause she plays the same job. People spend too much time, effort and emotion in leveling their jobs to be dismissed because ELITISTS think they are inferior cause of the bad experiences they had with another player(s) who happened to have the same job.
i <3 pld, geez when im pting with nins there shadows go down and the back up voke cant get hate or forgets to voke, im cureing fast to keep everybody alive then i get hate then ussualy the nin dies, i like pld cause they dont lose hate due to shadow loss hate. Every job has its advantage that makes them their own jobs that no other job can match.
i <3 pld, geez when im pting with nins there shadows go down and the back up voke cant get hate or forgets to voke, im cureing fast to keep everybody alive then i get hate then ussualy the nin dies, i like pld cause they dont lose hate due to shadow loss hate. Every job has its advantage that makes them their own jobs that no other job can match.
woa, how that happen sorry for the double post >.<
Very well said Coldstone!
As a BLM, I love to party with PLDs coz... well, if sometimes I get a little over-zealous with a nuke, I know I'm not going to be wiped out. Sure I may take a hit or two from the mob while the PLD gets the hate back, but I have the utmost confidence that I'm not gonna go face down in the dirt.
Does that mean I won't party with a NIN? Not at all - just recently I was in a party with a NIN/WAR tank and WAR/NIN backup. No one came close to dying - hate wasn't bouncing around like it sometimes did in a lower level NIN-tank party. It was a ton of fun in Kuftal!
If we all played cookie-cutter jobs with cookie-cutter races, where would the fun be in the game? I personally like the challenge of playing a job "not ideally suited" for my character's race. Same goes with an "unconventional" party setup - some of the best parties, be it skill-up, exp or coffer/key hunting, have had an improbable configuration that just seemed to click.
Maybe it was just because we were all giving 110% towards accomplishing the same goal.
Zuzeeque
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BLM 71/THF 59/RNG 42/WHM 38/NIN 34/RDM 26/WAR 20
As a BLM, I love to party with PLDs coz... well, if sometimes I get a little over-zealous with a nuke, I know I'm not going to be wiped out. Sure I may take a hit or two from the mob while the PLD gets the hate back, but I have the utmost confidence that I'm not gonna go face down in the dirt.
Does that mean I won't party with a NIN? Not at all - just recently I was in a party with a NIN/WAR tank and WAR/NIN backup. No one came close to dying - hate wasn't bouncing around like it sometimes did in a lower level NIN-tank party. It was a ton of fun in Kuftal!
If we all played cookie-cutter jobs with cookie-cutter races, where would the fun be in the game? I personally like the challenge of playing a job "not ideally suited" for my character's race. Same goes with an "unconventional" party setup - some of the best parties, be it skill-up, exp or coffer/key hunting, have had an improbable configuration that just seemed to click.
Maybe it was just because we were all giving 110% towards accomplishing the same goal.
Zuzeeque
Windurst Rank 7
BLM 71/THF 59/RNG 42/WHM 38/NIN 34/RDM 26/WAR 20
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However Jadennyte inadvertently hit the crux of the problem. It transcends the great tank debate, it effects every job. Jadennyte while I doubt she meant to, shows the main problem with a lot of players in the game. They develop a bias based on a job. They assume 'well if this one player plays this job poorly then everyone one else who plays that job also does it poorly.' Or that the job is entirely worthless.
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I'm not trying to say all PLDs are like that because I know they aren't. That was just my experience.
Actually I thought I stated quite clearly in my post that I didn't believe that it was every PLD.. just the ones that I had the misfortune of PTing with.
As I said.. I used to have a set PT with a PLD.. and he was amazing at his job.. I have met a few of them that were, just none that I had the fortune of PTing with whilst on my WHM
Edited, Tue Nov 29 17:27:59 2005 by JadenNyte
But Jade you did develop a bias towards PLD's when you are on your WHM
nope.. I have a bias towards the PLDs that I had PTed with.. everyone else is good *lol*
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