Why are you talking about credit card number ? all they need is the play online ID . which is easy to find for SE. even if this is an mule lv1 that send the gils , they can easily know on what playonline ID this mule was.
I think it is very easy for them to find the GS. I think they just dont care since all the GS buy a lot of account ( cause when they get caught , they have to get another) with alot of mule etc. Its big money they get from GS. Just like any company, they dont care more about the gameplay than the money they get every month. how many accounts do you think all the GS are using?
Its all about the money.
They CAN do something... but dont want to cut down their income.
We are screwed. you know why ? Because we are the constomers. We are ants. They are the ones who get BIG profits from our entertainment.
The best thing is to learn to live with it. This game is still very good and there is a LOT of funny stuff to do. So please enjoy it .
I can tell you that there will ALWAYS be GilSelling. thats sad... but when there is money , nothing will be fair.
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this whole thread is retarded.
no one here has any proof of any account being involved in the selling of game currency. what you can prove is two things:
1) there are accounts with characters that camp high value spawns 24/7 or nearly 24/7.
2) some of the above are chinese.
please stop being racist F[/b]ucktards.
my best friend in RL plays a character on my account. we work opposite schedules, so we play opposite too, and are on nearly 24/7. we also both happen to be very good at aquiring in-game items, and use a system of characters to achieve our goals.
if we spoke chinese only, would we be 'gilsellers'? i'm betting we would, because i've been cursed out and called that name before, because i simply refused to speak to the person berating me for being a faster claim.
i'm about done ranting, but TBH i'm sick and tired of the term 'gilseller'. it sickens me to hear in the same way 'ni[b]gger' sickens me. its racist *************** and it can go the fu[b][/b]ck away. thanks.
karma bomb me all you want, you're still a racist if you assume a chinese player to be involved in RMT. you're no different from a cop pulling out that tired-*** "you fit the description" nonsense.
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on an off-rant note, has anyone ever considered that SE may provide a certain amount of gil to be sold by third parties each month? hmm? why? well because there are simply too many people who would quit if they did not have access to bought gil. i'd imagine a certain amount of gil getting released into the economy now and again greases the wheels just enough to keep people playing, and paying, and buying items from each other. just an idea that i have yet to hear expressed.
no one here has any proof of any account being involved in the selling of game currency. what you can prove is two things:
1) there are accounts with characters that camp high value spawns 24/7 or nearly 24/7.
2) some of the above are chinese.
please stop being racist F[/b]ucktards.
my best friend in RL plays a character on my account. we work opposite schedules, so we play opposite too, and are on nearly 24/7. we also both happen to be very good at aquiring in-game items, and use a system of characters to achieve our goals.
if we spoke chinese only, would we be 'gilsellers'? i'm betting we would, because i've been cursed out and called that name before, because i simply refused to speak to the person berating me for being a faster claim.
i'm about done ranting, but TBH i'm sick and tired of the term 'gilseller'. it sickens me to hear in the same way 'ni[b]gger' sickens me. its racist *************** and it can go the fu[b][/b]ck away. thanks.
karma bomb me all you want, you're still a racist if you assume a chinese player to be involved in RMT. you're no different from a cop pulling out that tired-*** "you fit the description" nonsense.
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on an off-rant note, has anyone ever considered that SE may provide a certain amount of gil to be sold by third parties each month? hmm? why? well because there are simply too many people who would quit if they did not have access to bought gil. i'd imagine a certain amount of gil getting released into the economy now and again greases the wheels just enough to keep people playing, and paying, and buying items from each other. just an idea that i have yet to hear expressed.
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on an off-rant note, has anyone ever considered that SE may provide a certain amount of gil to be sold by third parties each month?
4.4 Revocation of User Rights.
SEI shall reserve the right in its sole discretion to revoke or suspend your PlayOnline user account and your ability to use PlayOnline at any time without prior notice to you, particularly but not limited to if SEI should determine (in its sole discretion) or should reasonably believe that you are responsible for, or have participated in, any of the following (collectively, "Prohibited Activities"):
e) Offering for sale, selling, or otherwise seeking monetary compensation for
(1) any Software characters (or "avatars"),
(2) any names, abilities, character features or other items available within a game or obtained as a result of game play or through PlayOnline Service,
(3) any points acquired as a result of using the Software or playing any online games in PlayOnline, or
(4) access to any PlayOnline user account;
so reading that i highly doubt SE does. also people call them "gilsellers" not because it is a racial slur.... but simply because... they sell gil, hence the name gilseller. in no way whatsoever is the term "gil" associted with a persons race. can anyone prove who the gilsellers are? no, thats not our job as players its SE job.
right, so its against the ToS to sell in-game properties. but that doesn't stop SE from allowing third party sales to go on where necessary.
its like the 'no outside food or drink' rule at your local cafe. they will throw you out for eating your Taco Bell at their table, but does that mean they arent going to sell you food themselves?
in-game properties, and the management of the in-game economy is solely SE's responsibility, and i seriously doubt that the ToS applied to player accounts are also imposed as limits on the Japanese Program Director responsible for managing the impact of RMT on the game economies. it'd be like imposing the same random invisible spell duration on a GM. are you kidding? GM can probably send a /t to some guy named Takamura in Development and get a damn constant Invis ring in his delivery box.
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when i was GM of my pen-and-paper Duneons and Dragons game when i was 12, i hedged the dice rolls now and again so that my players could have thrilling skin-of-their-teeth victories. but of course i never told them that they should have been wiped out and lost the characters we'd be developing for six months. that would be ZERO FUN.
what i'm suggesting is that it's possible that part of SE's effort to provide consistently entertaining gameplay is strategic release of gil to third parties. i mean they aren't stupid. creating gil for sale by third parties would not only represent profit to SE as an act by itself, but the people who purchase that gil are going to participate in the economy and continue to be profitable for SE thru their account and the accounts of those who that gil is eventually distributed to thru the AH.
and it follows that SE would not make such action public, as it would probably cause more trouble in the economy that it is worth, in other words it'd RUIN THE FUN if we knew. but as a secret, it would be mostly harmless.
i'm just tired of hearing that the billions of gil for sale each week was coming from VE and morion worm. are you kidding me? lol. you can camp sales histories with the calculator on your cellphone and see that it don't add up. i mean at peak cost, how many Hairpins were sold a week? 50? a hundred? and gil is going for how much a million now? 12 bucks or something? you telling me they gonna keep characters on for 24/7 just to make $120 a week? even at sweatshop labor costs you'd be better off making sneakers or something. the electric bill and network maintenance alone would make me look for a different line of work. and yeah, i know that VE is not the only thing the 'gilsellers' ever camped, but the idea only gets more ridiculous as you add more NM spawns to camp, more characters, and more upkeep. like argus... ok Charm sold for a LOT back then, but on a 24 hour timer? are you kidding? you can make more farming Tremor Ram with TH2 in 24 hours than you can taking a chance at a big score every 24 hours.
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and back to racism, well, i know the term 'gilseller' is not strictly racist, but it has come near enough for me. it's use, in my experience, is more often than not followed by racial epithets against Chinese players.
and now i have to quote you real fast:
yeah... and you have bought some from them i guess? i mean like you walked up to Iceangel on the street and was like "psst. yo, i know you sell gil. give me some i got 5 bucks american. that's like enough for a big mac, so cough it up" and the she did.
cause honestly that's the only way you'd ever be able to call someone a gilseller.
oh but wait. i keep forgetting that whenever someone cannot speak any english or japanese, and has little idea what is expected from them in an xp situation, they are also 'gilsellers'. just pick a page of the bad players thread at random and you'll see what i'm talking about. then go to an LS of your choice and bring this topic up, and see if you don't get at least ONE response from a NA player that includes some racist ******** like "i'll slap that damn chinese gilseller in his chinky eye" (more or less a direct quote from one of the LSs i quickly dropped.)
at any rate i'm done with this thread. ttyl.
its like the 'no outside food or drink' rule at your local cafe. they will throw you out for eating your Taco Bell at their table, but does that mean they arent going to sell you food themselves?
in-game properties, and the management of the in-game economy is solely SE's responsibility, and i seriously doubt that the ToS applied to player accounts are also imposed as limits on the Japanese Program Director responsible for managing the impact of RMT on the game economies. it'd be like imposing the same random invisible spell duration on a GM. are you kidding? GM can probably send a /t to some guy named Takamura in Development and get a damn constant Invis ring in his delivery box.
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when i was GM of my pen-and-paper Duneons and Dragons game when i was 12, i hedged the dice rolls now and again so that my players could have thrilling skin-of-their-teeth victories. but of course i never told them that they should have been wiped out and lost the characters we'd be developing for six months. that would be ZERO FUN.
what i'm suggesting is that it's possible that part of SE's effort to provide consistently entertaining gameplay is strategic release of gil to third parties. i mean they aren't stupid. creating gil for sale by third parties would not only represent profit to SE as an act by itself, but the people who purchase that gil are going to participate in the economy and continue to be profitable for SE thru their account and the accounts of those who that gil is eventually distributed to thru the AH.
and it follows that SE would not make such action public, as it would probably cause more trouble in the economy that it is worth, in other words it'd RUIN THE FUN if we knew. but as a secret, it would be mostly harmless.
i'm just tired of hearing that the billions of gil for sale each week was coming from VE and morion worm. are you kidding me? lol. you can camp sales histories with the calculator on your cellphone and see that it don't add up. i mean at peak cost, how many Hairpins were sold a week? 50? a hundred? and gil is going for how much a million now? 12 bucks or something? you telling me they gonna keep characters on for 24/7 just to make $120 a week? even at sweatshop labor costs you'd be better off making sneakers or something. the electric bill and network maintenance alone would make me look for a different line of work. and yeah, i know that VE is not the only thing the 'gilsellers' ever camped, but the idea only gets more ridiculous as you add more NM spawns to camp, more characters, and more upkeep. like argus... ok Charm sold for a LOT back then, but on a 24 hour timer? are you kidding? you can make more farming Tremor Ram with TH2 in 24 hours than you can taking a chance at a big score every 24 hours.
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and back to racism, well, i know the term 'gilseller' is not strictly racist, but it has come near enough for me. it's use, in my experience, is more often than not followed by racial epithets against Chinese players.
and now i have to quote you real fast:
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also people call them "gilsellers" not because it is a racial slur.... but simply because... they sell gil,
yeah... and you have bought some from them i guess? i mean like you walked up to Iceangel on the street and was like "psst. yo, i know you sell gil. give me some i got 5 bucks american. that's like enough for a big mac, so cough it up" and the she did.
cause honestly that's the only way you'd ever be able to call someone a gilseller.
oh but wait. i keep forgetting that whenever someone cannot speak any english or japanese, and has little idea what is expected from them in an xp situation, they are also 'gilsellers'. just pick a page of the bad players thread at random and you'll see what i'm talking about. then go to an LS of your choice and bring this topic up, and see if you don't get at least ONE response from a NA player that includes some racist ******** like "i'll slap that damn chinese gilseller in his chinky eye" (more or less a direct quote from one of the LSs i quickly dropped.)
at any rate i'm done with this thread. ttyl.
yeah i agree if the say specifically "chinese gilseller" that is racist and shouldnt be overlooked. i myself have never called anyone a gilseller or implied anyone was a gilseller. its not my place or job to pass that judgement on anyone. i dont know any gilsellers in the game nor have i ever bought gil from anyone or items or character or anything else with RL money. you can easily tell by my gimp *** gear i dont even have absorb dex yet >.< yeah im a loser *** noob at this game but i play it for fun and have worked for everything i have in the game. perhaps some people take the game too seriously and thats why they resort to paying $12 for gil to show off all the cool stuff they have. sure so $12 isnt alot to everyone but i eat ramen noodles for breakfast lunch and dinner and my $15 beer money for the month isnt something i want to trade for 1 million gil. yeah i know my priorities are ****** up i spend more on beer and FFXI then i do on my meals but hell we all need a little entertainment and watching powerpuff girls isnt fun anymore after you have all the lines from every episode memorized.
lol. you are really just like me lol. i mean i'm so broke i can't afford to pay attention. my friend and i have some good gear because we are lucky and work hard at this game. but i swear to you that we earn every gil and it is evident by the fact that i had to solo goblins outside jeuno for ten mins with my rdm before i could take the kazahm airship for my rng last week v.v
I'm not taking either side, but one thing that always makes me laugh about these so called gilsellers, are their names ; ; Other day in Bibiki they were killing placeholders for Intulo and names were something as followed.
Xooox
Hoooh
Xaaax
Just a **** load of names like that lol. While i'm not saying they are actually gilsellers, it always cracks me up how their names can be so close, eerily close, and yet... we ARE NOT allowed to generalize anything about them lol. I mean come on, when there are 5 "Angels" in one area, or 6 "Toms" in the same area, need one say more? I think not lol.
Xooox
Hoooh
Xaaax
Just a **** load of names like that lol. While i'm not saying they are actually gilsellers, it always cracks me up how their names can be so close, eerily close, and yet... we ARE NOT allowed to generalize anything about them lol. I mean come on, when there are 5 "Angels" in one area, or 6 "Toms" in the same area, need one say more? I think not lol.
You are all chinese gil sellers
And now I remember why I so often loathe Alla. Let's review the thread. I tried to start a discussion of why people always respond in defense of gilsellers or those accused of being gilsellers. I don't care about their effect on the economy and I fully accept that they're here to stay; this was not a post to complain about them but rather to hear what people thought about how everyone on forums likes to defend them, claim that they don't exist, etc. Let's break down the results:
About 1/3 useless flames about how my thread sucks. Gooooo 14 year old kids!
About 1/3 saying there's no point worrying about gilsellers. Awesome how you respond to the words I DIDN'T use. It's like you're reading my mind... Except you're an illiterate **** who can't read!
About 1/3 flames against that last group. Gooo thread hijackers!
Nobody cares that I wasn't making a post to complain about gilsellers. Nobody's willing to read the actual words, they just see the word gilseller and assume that I'm ******** about how they're stealing my NMs. If this was a standardized reading comprehension test, you would have failed, bismarck -.- Shocking how low the functional literacy rate is on a game which is essentially text based, isn't it?
About 1/3 useless flames about how my thread sucks. Gooooo 14 year old kids!
About 1/3 saying there's no point worrying about gilsellers. Awesome how you respond to the words I DIDN'T use. It's like you're reading my mind... Except you're an illiterate **** who can't read!
About 1/3 flames against that last group. Gooo thread hijackers!
Nobody cares that I wasn't making a post to complain about gilsellers. Nobody's willing to read the actual words, they just see the word gilseller and assume that I'm ******** about how they're stealing my NMs. If this was a standardized reading comprehension test, you would have failed, bismarck -.- Shocking how low the functional literacy rate is on a game which is essentially text based, isn't it?
You hate people defending them, maybe we hate people talking about them altogether, so you suck just as much.
wow so suddenly allakhazam turned into hooked on phonix. this is a thread about gilsellers right? almost every sentence in your original post has the word gilseller in it.
thats what i see being done here people adding their thoughts. of course any thread when left alone long enough will evolve into something other than intended. the hell were you trying to prove with this thread anyway? you didnt want anyones thoughts and speculations cause here you are ******** about them.
so we are here only to complain about the people defending gil sellers while you are free to complain about the gilsellers? you try to make it sound like you didnt make this post to ***** about gilsellers but you did a poor job.
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please add your thoughts and speculation
thats what i see being done here people adding their thoughts. of course any thread when left alone long enough will evolve into something other than intended. the hell were you trying to prove with this thread anyway? you didnt want anyones thoughts and speculations cause here you are ******** about them.
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Nobody cares that I wasn't making a post to complain about gilsellers
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But what I'd really like to know is why so many people seem to rush to defend these game-ruining NM hoggers
so we are here only to complain about the people defending gil sellers while you are free to complain about the gilsellers? you try to make it sound like you didnt make this post to ***** about gilsellers but you did a poor job.
Your original post suggests that if someone is at an NM all the time they are a gilseller, and you have a problem if you think that they are, and someone disagrees with you.
People are going to get angry that before they even offer thier opinion, if it doesnt agree with yours you will say they are in favour of the gilsellers.
Also, just because someone is "an enthusastic player and can barely speak english" does NOT mean they sell gil, which you seem to suggest.
It is this kind of generalisation that leads to a cultural divide.
People are going to get angry that before they even offer thier opinion, if it doesnt agree with yours you will say they are in favour of the gilsellers.
Also, just because someone is "an enthusastic player and can barely speak english" does NOT mean they sell gil, which you seem to suggest.
It is this kind of generalisation that leads to a cultural divide.
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Admittedly this post doesn't seem to have much value, but I'm bored and want to get yelled at for saying something :D
<3 how every gilseller related post turns into critiquing each others posts, misinterpreting obvious implications/statements and people defending S-E's methods to the bitter end.
Regardless of "difficuilty upholding the ToS with foreign powers" (i.e. China) concept, it would seem I'm more likely to have my account suspended for picking my nose then one of these asshats that consistently violate the ToS.
There have been allegedly been various incidents of people having an item or money taken away and returned to a player because the exchange was not "legitimate". Sending large sums of gil through Delivery/MH? Gilselling involves none of this at all,mind you.
Honestly, MPK? Apparently everyone that types out any content reffering to MPK is treated as a rambling hobo and ignored. Regardless, it happens.
Botting, impossible? Tell that to the people at O.Kote with their 8 hour patterns.
And what will the generic response to my or anyone who has a thought on gilselers be? "LO!L!O!L!L FIND A NEW WAY OF MAKING GILS NOOBEH LOLLAR" or "ROFLAY IF THEY GET RID OF GILSELLERS THERE WILL BE PLAYERS WHO DO THE SAME THING!"
Changing what I do because someone sets up a permanent shop at a camp and kills me if I succeed at even claiming a mob, is BS.
Honestly LOL. If Johnb ran up to you with a train and said something about your mom and killed you...you wouldnt let that slide.
...and if anyone is willing to jump in my seat and do an 8 hour shift at a camp while I sleep, let me know.
It seems S-E likes to change stuff and indirectly hurt everyone that isn't a gilseller. When I started playing after the "R/E NM drops patch" I thought it had great potential for about 5 seconds when I saw every mining point in Gusgen occupied by a gilseller. Oh WAIT harharhar calling someone a gilseller even if their habbits add up to be such, is derogatory. So I'll have to reffer to them as MPK'ing/botting/zombie asshats on my next post. Sorry e-Karma!
Edited, Fri Sep 30 08:13:06 2005 by RickTD
<3 how every gilseller related post turns into critiquing each others posts, misinterpreting obvious implications/statements and people defending S-E's methods to the bitter end.
Regardless of "difficuilty upholding the ToS with foreign powers" (i.e. China) concept, it would seem I'm more likely to have my account suspended for picking my nose then one of these asshats that consistently violate the ToS.
There have been allegedly been various incidents of people having an item or money taken away and returned to a player because the exchange was not "legitimate". Sending large sums of gil through Delivery/MH? Gilselling involves none of this at all,mind you.
Honestly, MPK? Apparently everyone that types out any content reffering to MPK is treated as a rambling hobo and ignored. Regardless, it happens.
Botting, impossible? Tell that to the people at O.Kote with their 8 hour patterns.
And what will the generic response to my or anyone who has a thought on gilselers be? "LO!L!O!L!L FIND A NEW WAY OF MAKING GILS NOOBEH LOLLAR" or "ROFLAY IF THEY GET RID OF GILSELLERS THERE WILL BE PLAYERS WHO DO THE SAME THING!"
Changing what I do because someone sets up a permanent shop at a camp and kills me if I succeed at even claiming a mob, is BS.
Honestly LOL. If Johnb ran up to you with a train and said something about your mom and killed you...you wouldnt let that slide.
...and if anyone is willing to jump in my seat and do an 8 hour shift at a camp while I sleep, let me know.
It seems S-E likes to change stuff and indirectly hurt everyone that isn't a gilseller. When I started playing after the "R/E NM drops patch" I thought it had great potential for about 5 seconds when I saw every mining point in Gusgen occupied by a gilseller. Oh WAIT harharhar calling someone a gilseller even if their habbits add up to be such, is derogatory. So I'll have to reffer to them as MPK'ing/botting/zombie asshats on my next post. Sorry e-Karma!
Edited, Fri Sep 30 08:13:06 2005 by RickTD
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It is this kind of generalisation that leads to a cultural divide.
yup. well said.
also i like non-sequitors.
Well, this is interesting to simply imply some one is from another country is now racist is it?
Well let me tell something Stegan I am not racist and I am guessing you did not read this...
The reason I talk about gil sellers as being Chinese is not because I am racist like you accuse me of it is because my first ever game experiance with RMTs was in a little game called Lineage 2 where if you did not speek Chinese when you came across these "Adena Farmers" you were killed on the spot by as many as 20 power bow shots at one time. EVERY time I see Ni Hao it sends a little shiver down my spine.
To the OP I would try and quote one of your anti-gilseller remarks but why bother, nothing you have to say intrests me and if you did not notice my posts were in responce to everyone elses and had nothing to do with your oh so lovely original complaining post.
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Stegen until you hear the words "F*ck them stupid chinese bastards I hate every damn one those chinese f*cks" don't EVER accuse me of being racist. I am not racist and if you had said or accused me of that to my face you'd have a boot imprint on your damn forehead.
Well let me tell something Stegan I am not racist and I am guessing you did not read this...
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Well looks like all thats left is Nuking China, and while i realize that not all gilsellers are Chinese (some are even american) I think it's a good start. Time to contact congress...
I am of course just kidding.
I am of course just kidding.
The reason I talk about gil sellers as being Chinese is not because I am racist like you accuse me of it is because my first ever game experiance with RMTs was in a little game called Lineage 2 where if you did not speek Chinese when you came across these "Adena Farmers" you were killed on the spot by as many as 20 power bow shots at one time. EVERY time I see Ni Hao it sends a little shiver down my spine.
To the OP I would try and quote one of your anti-gilseller remarks but why bother, nothing you have to say intrests me and if you did not notice my posts were in responce to everyone elses and had nothing to do with your oh so lovely original complaining post.
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Stegen until you hear the words "F*ck them stupid chinese bastards I hate every damn one those chinese f*cks" don't EVER accuse me of being racist. I am not racist and if you had said or accused me of that to my face you'd have a boot imprint on your damn forehead.
i was responding to the OP. forget the whole thing man. i was being a jerk to racism in general, not to anybody here.
edited cause its time to stop being a jerk.
Edited, Sun Oct 2 00:27:55 2005 by stegan
edited cause its time to stop being a jerk.
Edited, Sun Oct 2 00:27:55 2005 by stegan
EDIT: Erased because I think I've adeed enough to this pointless topic.
Edited, Sat Oct 1 21:36:37 2005 by XxMortimerxX
Edited, Sat Oct 1 21:36:37 2005 by XxMortimerxX
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