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Thanks Arelios
Arelios wrote:
I'd have to say that, at least getting half of the money back rather than just making 15,000 is at least a little bit better.
However, wtf? It was obviously a mistake. The person who did it is not in question, because, undoubtedly, the first person who had seen that Harness in the bazaar and had any clue what it was really worth would have jumped on that. It comes back to what other people said though, once it has been realized that the seller had apparently made a mistake in placing the item in his bazaar for that amount, it really just comes down to morals.
It doesn't mean a damn thing how many people you've helped in the course of time you played. That doesn't mean that occasionally you have license to take something like that from someone who obviously, and admittedly, made a mistake. On top of that, as I previously stated, 7.5mil back is a much nicer cut than the 15,000gil slap in the face that would have otherwise remained the deal. Nevertheless, they're now splitting a 15mil item as 50/50 when one half of that never did anything at all to earn it.
A decent portion of you applaud like "Oooh nice, he's being alright about it and giving him *half of the money he worked his *** off for* back". Doesn't work for me. It was a mistake. It's a game. Just let the guy enjoy what he's decided to make into his past-time and give him the money back. It's what I'd do and I'm pretty sure it's what anyone with any remote sense of pride or even common decency would do.
To be at a point where you have no problem taking 7.5mil that you didn't do a damn thing, except run by a bazaar at the right time, for is just plain low. It may be less than the previous 15mil that had been made into a profit, but it doesn't change the fact that all you did was have the nerve to take advantage of an honest mistake made by someone who worked a lot harder for that money than you. It sort of proves that you're either desperate for money or slightly off enough to actually believe that you're in the right about it.
I'm not involved in the situation as far as it actually happening goes, but I am aware Rage bragged about this harness to a friend of mine as though it was something he had actually earned, which he most certainly had not. It wasn't a very bright mistake that Sharpshooter made, not at all, but it doesn't justify what Rage did in the slightest. Buying it is one thing. Choosing not to return it upon learning that it was an accident is another.
I'm just going to go with the idea that, regardless of how much you've done for other people, you are not, in any way, now free to profit off of another player's mistake. It's really rather pathetic to do so. If you want 15mil, take a few weeks off and farm it. 7.5 is about two, maybe not even if you do well. Have some dignity, or maybe even some morals, and just give the poor guy a full refund.
However, wtf? It was obviously a mistake. The person who did it is not in question, because, undoubtedly, the first person who had seen that Harness in the bazaar and had any clue what it was really worth would have jumped on that. It comes back to what other people said though, once it has been realized that the seller had apparently made a mistake in placing the item in his bazaar for that amount, it really just comes down to morals.
It doesn't mean a damn thing how many people you've helped in the course of time you played. That doesn't mean that occasionally you have license to take something like that from someone who obviously, and admittedly, made a mistake. On top of that, as I previously stated, 7.5mil back is a much nicer cut than the 15,000gil slap in the face that would have otherwise remained the deal. Nevertheless, they're now splitting a 15mil item as 50/50 when one half of that never did anything at all to earn it.
A decent portion of you applaud like "Oooh nice, he's being alright about it and giving him *half of the money he worked his *** off for* back". Doesn't work for me. It was a mistake. It's a game. Just let the guy enjoy what he's decided to make into his past-time and give him the money back. It's what I'd do and I'm pretty sure it's what anyone with any remote sense of pride or even common decency would do.
To be at a point where you have no problem taking 7.5mil that you didn't do a damn thing, except run by a bazaar at the right time, for is just plain low. It may be less than the previous 15mil that had been made into a profit, but it doesn't change the fact that all you did was have the nerve to take advantage of an honest mistake made by someone who worked a lot harder for that money than you. It sort of proves that you're either desperate for money or slightly off enough to actually believe that you're in the right about it.
I'm not involved in the situation as far as it actually happening goes, but I am aware Rage bragged about this harness to a friend of mine as though it was something he had actually earned, which he most certainly had not. It wasn't a very bright mistake that Sharpshooter made, not at all, but it doesn't justify what Rage did in the slightest. Buying it is one thing. Choosing not to return it upon learning that it was an accident is another.
I'm just going to go with the idea that, regardless of how much you've done for other people, you are not, in any way, now free to profit off of another player's mistake. It's really rather pathetic to do so. If you want 15mil, take a few weeks off and farm it. 7.5 is about two, maybe not even if you do well. Have some dignity, or maybe even some morals, and just give the poor guy a full refund.
Is it ethical for multiple HNM LS to MPK each other for 15+ hours trying to kill Fafnir (this actually happened on Fairy at least once so it is true)?
Is it ethical for LSes to repeatedly MPK gilsellers that claim Serket, Roc, etc?
Is it ethical for players to charge large fees to newer players for required quests, such as Genkai and AF?
Is it ethical for players to call in Power Levelers, even if they are partied up with new players that are still learning the game?
Is it ethical for many HNM LSes out there to have personal friends of the leaders benefit first, with others having to wait far behind them?
Is it ethical to personally attack players that have an underleveled sub/wrong sub/bad gear, even if they did nothing to actually provoke other people?
If you want a highly ethical online game, FFXI ain't it nowadays.
Xenodias, that's a lovely list of fairly pessimistic questions and all... but at no point did I say that I wished for this game to be more ethical, or ethical at all, for that matter. Where'd that come from? Nevertheless, despite the things that you're claiming people have done (apparently, though I can't say I can fall into any of those categories), it doesn't mean a single person has to follow suit.
Just out of curiosity though, did you quote my post on purpose? 'cause the follow-up on it wasn't exactly all too related to it... :/
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lmao Karma just got BOMBED. Curious if anyone feels like explaining it? It's not so much the Karma that bothers me, just the thought of being "attacked" (for a severe lack of a better word) like that without any reason behind it. Kinda' doubt I'm getting an answer, but it's worth a shot ^^
Edited, Sat Jul 30 00:58:59 2005 by Arelios
Just out of curiosity though, did you quote my post on purpose? 'cause the follow-up on it wasn't exactly all too related to it... :/
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lmao Karma just got BOMBED. Curious if anyone feels like explaining it? It's not so much the Karma that bothers me, just the thought of being "attacked" (for a severe lack of a better word) like that without any reason behind it. Kinda' doubt I'm getting an answer, but it's worth a shot ^^
Edited, Sat Jul 30 00:58:59 2005 by Arelios
omg I didn't know are was on this forum : O
well I think he should give the money back except maybe at MOST 100k profit because SS should suffer a bit of loss to learn a lesson if he doesn't lose anything he might just keep making mistakes and expecting to always bounce right back when handling an item like SH +1 think of it as real life gold (because it is actually probably worth some money in RL if you believe in selling gil which I don't) and make sure you price it right kinda sucks when mistakes like that happen D:
well I think he should give the money back except maybe at MOST 100k profit because SS should suffer a bit of loss to learn a lesson if he doesn't lose anything he might just keep making mistakes and expecting to always bounce right back when handling an item like SH +1 think of it as real life gold (because it is actually probably worth some money in RL if you believe in selling gil which I don't) and make sure you price it right kinda sucks when mistakes like that happen D:
Everyone makes mistakes. I made the idiotic mistake of bidding my serket ring against a Scorpion Harness, only to have the lvl 40 pld d/c on me and never log back on (Apollo (not Appolinous or whatever, he's a good guy)). So that's 5 mil gone due to my mistake... and ethically, I'd like to say that I deserve it back, since I won the bet. I technically deserve it and a Scorpion Harness. See, in this case, it's the same thing. A mistake being taken advantage of.
However, this kind of mistake teaches the person who made it one very important lesson: never to do it again. Was it worth 14.85 million gil to learn that lesson? Nobody can say. But ultimately, if Terrestrialrage decides to keep the item, it shouldn't be held against him. I certainly hold a grudge against Apollo, but for different reasons; he directly lied for his own profit. What Rage did can be compared to camping a Notorious Monster. If you've been camping it for lets say, 15 hours, and another person comes in about 30 minutes before the monster spawns, you're going to be annoyed. Now, say that you hit the wrong provoke macro. Voila, the new camper who spent much less time camping than you did kills the mob, and gets a five million gil drop. An error in keystroak similar to that of the error in setting the Bazaar price is what occured here. So please, just think about it. In this situation with the NM, does the new camper owe the camper who has been there for much, much longer than him, anything?
However, this kind of mistake teaches the person who made it one very important lesson: never to do it again. Was it worth 14.85 million gil to learn that lesson? Nobody can say. But ultimately, if Terrestrialrage decides to keep the item, it shouldn't be held against him. I certainly hold a grudge against Apollo, but for different reasons; he directly lied for his own profit. What Rage did can be compared to camping a Notorious Monster. If you've been camping it for lets say, 15 hours, and another person comes in about 30 minutes before the monster spawns, you're going to be annoyed. Now, say that you hit the wrong provoke macro. Voila, the new camper who spent much less time camping than you did kills the mob, and gets a five million gil drop. An error in keystroak similar to that of the error in setting the Bazaar price is what occured here. So please, just think about it. In this situation with the NM, does the new camper owe the camper who has been there for much, much longer than him, anything?
Here's another post to rate me down on, go for it! ^^
Hehe, being rated-down without explanation doesn't bother me. Being rated-down for having morals, on the other hand...
Oh and for knowing what "exploit" means too, apparently.
Edited, Sat Jul 30 03:24:49 2005 by Solrain
Arelios wrote:
lmao Karma just got BOMBED. Curious if anyone feels like explaining it? It's not so much the Karma that bothers me, just the thought of being "attacked" (for a severe lack of a better word) like that without any reason behind it. Kinda' doubt I'm getting an answer, but it's worth a shot ^^
Hehe, being rated-down without explanation doesn't bother me. Being rated-down for having morals, on the other hand...
Oh and for knowing what "exploit" means too, apparently.
Edited, Sat Jul 30 03:24:49 2005 by Solrain
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If you want a highly ethical online game, FFXI ain't it nowadays.
With a mmorpg the game community really depends on the way the people act with each other. Bismarck is actually one of the best servers when looking at the community. There is no jp and na hate since most just work together with perhaps an exceptional few. The entire hnm scene is actually without a lot of drama. There might just be a little bit of drama when a certain ls decided to steal, but let's not discuss that ^^;
It happens rarely that people actually get charged for getting help on here, but of course there are a few people who are just like that. It doesn't mean though that more people should become like that.
It's simply sad to see people picking rage's side on this. He is WRONG for keeping it. It was a mistake, it has been a mistake and still is a mistake that the sh+1 was put up for sale at 15k. Why can't people understand that a mistake can happen and that rage can easily fix it by giving it back instead of 50/50.
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I am new to a board like this with karma. But don't you guys think you take it to seriously? Friend of mine in game told me aobut this board a few months ago and said that karma is all that matters here. I think I am starting to believe it, because looks like all people who disagree with OP or talk about how they fell get the dreaded karma bomb when evryone who said that that T named guy should give item back gets karma boosted? Just a bunch of patting each other on the backs here. Why do guys care about ratings? Speak how you feel! Why do you threaten you're fellow players with bad karma ratings? Never made sense to me. Who cares about karma stop whining bout it.
I guess I will see my karma be bombed because I don't agree T named guy should give it back because I know how bazaars work and to put a 15 mil gil item up for 15 thou gil is pretty hard because thats a very smaller number. You can see it right away and I know because I am doing it now and the comma before only 3 0s means it is quiet a lot less than 15 mil! I feel bad for your losing that much money but like someone said it just mean that you not care enough for the price if your not paying attention.
I guess I will see my karma be bombed because I don't agree T named guy should give it back because I know how bazaars work and to put a 15 mil gil item up for 15 thou gil is pretty hard because thats a very smaller number. You can see it right away and I know because I am doing it now and the comma before only 3 0s means it is quiet a lot less than 15 mil! I feel bad for your losing that much money but like someone said it just mean that you not care enough for the price if your not paying attention.
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It's simply sad to see people picking rage's side on this. He is WRONG for keeping it.
What I'm simply amazed at is that all those people who harp on Rage and his supporters for lack of morals have apparently, on the other hand, nothing to say about threatening to MPK him in return and telling his GF he is cheating on her in revenge.
Morals usually work both ways. Just noticing a trend, not taking sides.
I'd think that two hours isn't ample time to give TR time to think about it before coming to the boards and attempting to trash him. Let's hear it for low level conflict resolution.
And... I take it that everyone that is posting badly about TR has also seen such a deal in a bazaar... and completely passed it up. No? Then surely nobody would mind the least bit if people in game were attempting to ruin your RL relationship? Ok. Judge not... you know the rest.
And... I take it that everyone that is posting badly about TR has also seen such a deal in a bazaar... and completely passed it up. No? Then surely nobody would mind the least bit if people in game were attempting to ruin your RL relationship? Ok. Judge not... you know the rest.
Scholar
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Alright, look. People make mistakes, and people get lucky. In this case, both happened, it just depends on which side you see it from.
If I had bazaar'ed an item for that little, would I want it back? Yes. Would I send even one /tell to the buyer asking for it back? Nope. I might even congratulate him. Admittedly, I've got nothing nearly as expensive as a SH+1, but you've got to own up to your mistakes. You made it, sure it would be EXTREMELY nice for Rage to give it back, or even split it with you, but he isn't at fault here no matter what he chooses. I don't really know anyone involved, so I'm pretty objective about this.
To everyone discussing morals: yes, it would be nice if he were willing to give it back. But it's not like he was immoral in obtaining it. I don't think he and a team of bank robbers distracted Sharpshooter, made him mess up the bazaar price, and then ran off with the SH+1 in one of those prop $$$ bags.
Oh, and I don't know how much of either side is true, but how classy is it to bombard him with tells, let alone **** with his RL situation and people completely innocent of anything? Yeah, for most people that's a tough decision, so why harp on him immediately? If what they say is true, then the Infamous Three finally have one thing right: **** Jigga.
If I had bazaar'ed an item for that little, would I want it back? Yes. Would I send even one /tell to the buyer asking for it back? Nope. I might even congratulate him. Admittedly, I've got nothing nearly as expensive as a SH+1, but you've got to own up to your mistakes. You made it, sure it would be EXTREMELY nice for Rage to give it back, or even split it with you, but he isn't at fault here no matter what he chooses. I don't really know anyone involved, so I'm pretty objective about this.
To everyone discussing morals: yes, it would be nice if he were willing to give it back. But it's not like he was immoral in obtaining it. I don't think he and a team of bank robbers distracted Sharpshooter, made him mess up the bazaar price, and then ran off with the SH+1 in one of those prop $$$ bags.
Oh, and I don't know how much of either side is true, but how classy is it to bombard him with tells, let alone **** with his RL situation and people completely innocent of anything? Yeah, for most people that's a tough decision, so why harp on him immediately? If what they say is true, then the Infamous Three finally have one thing right: **** Jigga.
What I think you people fail to realize is this:
Morality, right, and wrong are entirely subjective.
Who are you to say what's right, what's wrong, and what's immoral? The only thing you know is what you have been taught and what you believe. Please, don't believe for one second that the entire world conforms to your view on things.
Morality, right, and wrong are entirely subjective.
Who are you to say what's right, what's wrong, and what's immoral? The only thing you know is what you have been taught and what you believe. Please, don't believe for one second that the entire world conforms to your view on things.
We're kind of running into the difference between morals (right and wrong) and ethics (fairness).
The situation is not fair, but it isn't immoral. Whether or not Rage is an *** or Sharp is a great guy just doesn't matter; there isn't a good guy and a bad guy, it's an ethical situation.
That's why business 'ethics' dictates fair transactions and fair practice. Sadly, there isn't any such thing as business morals.
Suppose you go to a yard sale and find a chair there listed at $20. You buy it (the transaction occurs with the guy's daughter, or someone unaware of the actual value of the chair).
You get it home, and then you get a phone call.
"That chair you bought," says Garage Sale Man, "was worth $200. It was incorrectly priced, you should either bring it back to me or send me $180."
What do you think? Would you? What if Garage Sale Man said you were a bad person if you didn't bring it back, and got his friends to harass you on the street?
I'm not saying that it's NICE to keep the Scorp harness. I'm not saying that there's any fairness in the situation; all I'm saying is that there isn't a moral question involved, and the situation is pretty much between Rage and Sharp. If the case were to go to a court of law in the US, Rage would win the case; the price was set, and the inherent agreement there was 15k.
Yep, it still sucks, a lot, and I'm very sorry it happened. But don't make a witch hunt or a case of moral turpitude out of it. ; ;
The situation is not fair, but it isn't immoral. Whether or not Rage is an *** or Sharp is a great guy just doesn't matter; there isn't a good guy and a bad guy, it's an ethical situation.
That's why business 'ethics' dictates fair transactions and fair practice. Sadly, there isn't any such thing as business morals.
Suppose you go to a yard sale and find a chair there listed at $20. You buy it (the transaction occurs with the guy's daughter, or someone unaware of the actual value of the chair).
You get it home, and then you get a phone call.
"That chair you bought," says Garage Sale Man, "was worth $200. It was incorrectly priced, you should either bring it back to me or send me $180."
What do you think? Would you? What if Garage Sale Man said you were a bad person if you didn't bring it back, and got his friends to harass you on the street?
I'm not saying that it's NICE to keep the Scorp harness. I'm not saying that there's any fairness in the situation; all I'm saying is that there isn't a moral question involved, and the situation is pretty much between Rage and Sharp. If the case were to go to a court of law in the US, Rage would win the case; the price was set, and the inherent agreement there was 15k.
Yep, it still sucks, a lot, and I'm very sorry it happened. But don't make a witch hunt or a case of moral turpitude out of it. ; ;
/em slaps everyone who replied to this thread including myself
I am ashamed of all of you.
You know I put this game down for quite a few reasons but this
..... I swear to god even some of the people that I admired and respected who replied to this thread let me down.
For one Terrestrialrage is and will forever be known to me as the biggest douchebag in the entire world till the day I die, at least in my eyes. I have my reasons and Ricky boy knows what they are.
I think you guys missed the totally blatant request and lost out on what Mosh was trying to get you guys to do. It has been done here before where a mistake via AH or Bazaar had been made and one person reached out to the [b]community for help in getting the item returned or restored.[/b]
Don't you all have any sense of pride? Is this game not supposed to be about comradery and companionship?
I think the point that was entirely missed was that Mosh was asking for everyone's help in getting Sharpshooter's item returned. Too bad that couldn't have been more obvious to everyone who glanced at this thread but commented to the contrary.
Rick if there is anything good in you at all don't be the prick that I know you as. Return the item like the good player you tout yourself as. It's not a matter of finder's keepers or too bad you made a mistake it's not even a matter of human decency. It basically boils down to are you going to prove yourself to be the mature individual that you say god forbid even think you are or are you just another one of the bottom barrel leechers?(You know exactly what I'm talking about.)
Seriously you can go out and make that amount of gil with any good HNM or even non HNM LS in a matter of weeks and if you can't then it would suffice to say you are in one hell of a ****** LS.
But then again that would just be fitting now wouldn't it?
Oh yeah and the lame *** excuse that Jigga said what she said to Lacy... I'm seriously thinking you could have come up with something better than that I mean did you really think you could do something like that and then ignore it and it would go away? This is a pricey item.
Now I'll get off my high horse and go back to thumbing mindlessly through Circus magazine.....
for shame all of you....
Edited, Sat Jul 30 23:06:20 2005 by ZanderBismarck
I am ashamed of all of you.
You know I put this game down for quite a few reasons but this
..... I swear to god even some of the people that I admired and respected who replied to this thread let me down.
For one Terrestrialrage is and will forever be known to me as the biggest douchebag in the entire world till the day I die, at least in my eyes. I have my reasons and Ricky boy knows what they are.
I think you guys missed the totally blatant request and lost out on what Mosh was trying to get you guys to do. It has been done here before where a mistake via AH or Bazaar had been made and one person reached out to the [b]community for help in getting the item returned or restored.[/b]
Don't you all have any sense of pride? Is this game not supposed to be about comradery and companionship?
I think the point that was entirely missed was that Mosh was asking for everyone's help in getting Sharpshooter's item returned. Too bad that couldn't have been more obvious to everyone who glanced at this thread but commented to the contrary.
Rick if there is anything good in you at all don't be the prick that I know you as. Return the item like the good player you tout yourself as. It's not a matter of finder's keepers or too bad you made a mistake it's not even a matter of human decency. It basically boils down to are you going to prove yourself to be the mature individual that you say god forbid even think you are or are you just another one of the bottom barrel leechers?(You know exactly what I'm talking about.)
Seriously you can go out and make that amount of gil with any good HNM or even non HNM LS in a matter of weeks and if you can't then it would suffice to say you are in one hell of a ****** LS.
But then again that would just be fitting now wouldn't it?
Oh yeah and the lame *** excuse that Jigga said what she said to Lacy... I'm seriously thinking you could have come up with something better than that I mean did you really think you could do something like that and then ignore it and it would go away? This is a pricey item.
Now I'll get off my high horse and go back to thumbing mindlessly through Circus magazine.....
for shame all of you....
Edited, Sat Jul 30 23:06:20 2005 by ZanderBismarck
First of all, I don't really know TR. I don't know SS. I hope that they find a way to resolve this peacefully... but it's too late for that now. Two hours is not a very long time. To say that after two hours you have extinguished every method of negotiating is ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned the only reason to take something to "the community" at large is if you've tried everything else.
This is a matter that is between two people, it would have been resolved by now I think had it not been brought here. This is a mistake and please, everyone, take note. Whenever anyone brings a problem to the forums it turns into a nightmare for everyone involved. The court of public opinion is not nice. It hurts both sides every time.
Low level conflict resolution is a term that they use in the military and I'm sure countless other work places. It means that if you have a problem with somebody that you first take it up with them. You try everything possible to resolve the problem without involving other people. If you've spent enough time on that stage then you would want to find an unbiased person to help you through the dilemma. What you don't do is go and complain to your entire linkshell and start a war. You don't make shouts in Jeuno, and you DON'T BRING YOUR PROBLEMS TO THE BOARDS.
Seriously, for just a moment, put yourself in TR's shoes. You just made 15 mil lickety-split. It's yours, you want it. You know that the way you got it was not entirely legit. So... you decide to give yourself some time to think about it. Now, of course the seller is sending you tells trying to get it back. Who wouldn't? So, you decide to ignore it for now. Then your girlfriend calls and says that some ******* is telling her that you're cheating on her. Well, that's about the end of the thought process in my book. Had there been no outside influence... well, we'll never know now will we?
This is a matter that is between two people, it would have been resolved by now I think had it not been brought here. This is a mistake and please, everyone, take note. Whenever anyone brings a problem to the forums it turns into a nightmare for everyone involved. The court of public opinion is not nice. It hurts both sides every time.
Low level conflict resolution is a term that they use in the military and I'm sure countless other work places. It means that if you have a problem with somebody that you first take it up with them. You try everything possible to resolve the problem without involving other people. If you've spent enough time on that stage then you would want to find an unbiased person to help you through the dilemma. What you don't do is go and complain to your entire linkshell and start a war. You don't make shouts in Jeuno, and you DON'T BRING YOUR PROBLEMS TO THE BOARDS.
Seriously, for just a moment, put yourself in TR's shoes. You just made 15 mil lickety-split. It's yours, you want it. You know that the way you got it was not entirely legit. So... you decide to give yourself some time to think about it. Now, of course the seller is sending you tells trying to get it back. Who wouldn't? So, you decide to ignore it for now. Then your girlfriend calls and says that some ******* is telling her that you're cheating on her. Well, that's about the end of the thought process in my book. Had there been no outside influence... well, we'll never know now will we?
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/em slaps everyone who replied to this thread including myself
I am ashamed of all of you.
I am ashamed of all of you.
Thank you for the lecture Zander, but no thank you. -_-
As Mosh said, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, and that's pretty much what happened. I personally don't think the community could - or should - step in, and I spelled out why.
You think Rage is a jerk? Ok, he probably is. If you're going to be fair about anything, though, you look at the SITUATION, not the people involved. It's obvious he's an ***, he didn't give the item back when he knew it was worth 15 mil, but was he *obligated* to? I hate to say it, but no, not really. -_-
I may have been reading all sideways again, but I didn't see where Mosh asked us to somehow force Rage to give the item back, or recover it for Sharp. It's basically a warning against what the guy did, a 'bad players' post. Nothing wrong with that, but there's no reason to suddenly go Jesus Christ Vs. The Moneychangers on everyone that commented.
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The court of public opinion is not nice. It hurts both sides every time.
Rate up. That whole post was great.
Edited, Sun Jul 31 00:50:53 2005 by Sioux
ZanderBismarck wrote:
I am ashamed of all of you. (...)
Oh yeah and the lame *** excuse that Jigga said what she said to Lacy... I'm seriously thinking you could have come up with something better than that I mean did you really think you could do something like that and then ignore it and it would go away? This is a pricey item.
So you're seriously stating that destroying someone's real life relationship, involving and distressing an uninvolved third party (the girlfriend) in the process is nothing compared to 15M gil of virtual property?
Wow. And you have the nerve to lecture everyone else.
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So you're seriously stating that destroying someone's real life relationship, involving and distressing an uninvolved third party (the girlfriend) in the process is nothing compared to 15M gil of virtual property?
If you'd know what rage has done before then you might actually agree to it.
Everytime I camp something like Argus or anything and this Sharpshooter Taru dude is there....
He wears me out. He is one of those types that spams you with tells and checks you over and over to distract you (I guess). You all know the type. Hell, he was so annoying I thought he was a gilseller at first, then I realized maybe he just thought being a super annoying little dude gave him some kind of advantage.
Point, is...I really have no point other than this kid ain't exactly Mr. Manners either, so ***** him and his mistake. Keep the Harness.
He wears me out. He is one of those types that spams you with tells and checks you over and over to distract you (I guess). You all know the type. Hell, he was so annoying I thought he was a gilseller at first, then I realized maybe he just thought being a super annoying little dude gave him some kind of advantage.
Point, is...I really have no point other than this kid ain't exactly Mr. Manners either, so ***** him and his mistake. Keep the Harness.
Scholar
21 posts
Wow thats low Hawky, i mean cmon, gonna drop a bomb like that on the threads? First off Lacy shouldve never even been a part of this in the first place, but everyone and their mother found it neccesary to ask her if she had my account info, and if she could get on my account and do "the right thing." Then when she said that she wouldnt cuz thats not her business, she starts getting hate tells. Hawky and Jigga, he might have it back if you two didnt find it neccesary to bring my Lacy into it. Tell me Hawky, would u do anything to defend Elisa's honor? Say yes, and youll see exactly where i am, defending her cuz pricks like you thought it best to bring her into it. Say no, and I hope Elisa kicks you to the curb.
And to Jigga, if youre keeping up with this at all, dont ever speak to me or Lacy again. Hoodlum was more than correct.
And to Jigga, if youre keeping up with this at all, dont ever speak to me or Lacy again. Hoodlum was more than correct.
Atleast I'd do anything for Elisa. In your case though, considering what you've done to women before changes it a lot for you atleast ^^
Ah well, don't go blaming Jigga and me for something you are doing ya prick. You're the one who is wrong here, not either one of us. Besides, you use the word might which with you would already mean he'd never would have gotten it back.
Ah well, don't go blaming Jigga and me for something you are doing ya prick. You're the one who is wrong here, not either one of us. Besides, you use the word might which with you would already mean he'd never would have gotten it back.
Scholar
21 posts
So the situation is different for me? Im the only one that has wronged here? You werent wrong bringing Lacy into it? Please, answer that question and then tell me you werent wrong.
Maybe a little for she didn't exactly do it. She did seem to play the game along with you though.
6 posts
Why does this have to turn out to be a post about Rage and Lacy's personal business? This post was an attempt at helping Mosh's friend get their harness back. And to be honest, the fact that your whiny b*tch of a gf called you crying about it shows some personal relationship issues that you should be dealing with rather than wasting time venting about it on some forums.
(And to anyone who wants to flame me about calling Lacy a whiny b*tch, can read my website for why I can't stand her.)
I think the harness should be returned, but I doubt Rage cares what any of us here think and I doubt he cares much about "doing the right thing" either. My guess is this post was a nice attempt on Mosh's part, but a waste of time in the end. =/
My apologies to anyone I know here for getting involved in this, but I'm seriously just fed up with these two.
Oh, and Lacy does a well enough job sticking her nose where it doesn't belong without people helping by dragging her into stuff like this, lol.
(And to anyone who wants to flame me about calling Lacy a whiny b*tch, can read my website for why I can't stand her.)
I think the harness should be returned, but I doubt Rage cares what any of us here think and I doubt he cares much about "doing the right thing" either. My guess is this post was a nice attempt on Mosh's part, but a waste of time in the end. =/
My apologies to anyone I know here for getting involved in this, but I'm seriously just fed up with these two.
Oh, and Lacy does a well enough job sticking her nose where it doesn't belong without people helping by dragging her into stuff like this, lol.
Scholar
21 posts
Looks like youre doing a pretty good job of sticking your nose where it doesnt belong too BJ. How about you stop talking sh*t on these boards. Oh look you found another way to insult Lacy, CONGRATULATIONS! And no, i dont care what people who dislike me think, aka you, Hawky, and Zander. Whatever all of your personal vendettas against me are, lets not sort them out here, alright? You wanna talk sh*t, you know where to find me. Im out of this topic for good, and for the record, hes not getting it back, since apparently to Hawky me giving 1/2 to him isnt good enough, so {peace}.
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