Whats the scoop on RNG and NIN?Follow

Hello Alla,

I was just wondering if anyone had a chance to playtest the RNG and NIN classes post update. While I dont play those classes personally the information still has value to me as I invite those char classes to pts on a semi regular basis.

In short I am wanting to know specifics on RNG damage output post update, and NIN hate control with Utsemi. Can anyone whos played those classes both pre and post update offer up some comparisons?

Thanks in advance,

GOB



Edited, Wed Jul 20 07:52:11 2005 by goblobsters

RNG's took quite a severe hit... to the point where RNG damage isn't that much greater than a higher damage melee DD (MNK, DRK, WAR), but at the cost of bullets and arrows.

As for the Utsu hate clearing... it's pretty bad. Hate deminishes incredibly after shadows are absorbed.

S-E went way too far with this patch. I see a revolt on the horizon....!~

Edit: Spelling is hard. ; ;

Edited, Wed Jul 20 10:48:49 2005 by MistressCelestia

HOLY ****!!!! NINJAS!!!!

I too will be testing the new Ninja Utsusemi this evening. I'll post my results. Aside from that though, I have this to offer...

Whether or not the update makes people happy, it does make sense. If a mob hits one of your shadows it would logically think that you died as the shadow dissappeared. That would mean it had less interest in you. Which means less 'hate'.

As far as the RNG update, anyone who has ever picked up a bow and arrow in real life knows that an arrow does drastically more damage from a distance. Point blank doesnt compare to 50 yards.

I think someone else posted this theory as well, but I think it needs repeating.

Good luck RNG's and fellow Ninjas^^

Rangers still deal practically the same amount of damage despite what people (Celestia) say which are just over-exaggerations. Once you find the right spot to stand, you're golden.

Tanking as ninja isn't really a problem now IF you use ninja tools to keep hate. If you relied solely on Utsusemi and Provoke then you're in for a rough ride. This is when the best blink tanks will shine.

At 64 it seems my attacks hit harder than spells, considering they are resisted most of the time. So spamming a wheel for 1-20 damage a pop isnt worth my time. Especially with double attack and berserk.

I usually throw in 1 elemental after recasting Utsusemi.

Edited, Wed Jul 20 16:16:01 2005 by Gellybluntz

Honestly post60, if you just spam the wheel, youre preventing yourself from getting TP, double attack chances, using berserk to the fullest. And the best hate controlling tool {Blade: Jin} ( sometimes... )

Throw a tool out now and then, also MB, but the good and bad NIN isnt going to be determined by who spams the wheel. Its all about your cash flow and equipment, just like any other melee job. And knowing your job...

Some people might play differently though. But the only things I have trouble holding hate against really are high damage WS. But sometimes theres nothing you can do but try your best to get hate back.

I did however spam elemental Ninjitsu from 40-55 as it usually did alot more than my attacks would. So it will separate the good and bad ninja's from levels 40-60.

-- As for RNG. I haven't touched it in a few weeks. But after looking at the RNG forum, you would think that it's the end for all RNG's o.O

Probably people over-reacting anyways. But I am getting sick of other melee's saying we deserved this. Especially DRG. Yeah it sucks you cant get invites, but when I was leveling BST in Ifrits, I saw a DRG rape through all the Nightmare Bats in the area. You think a RNG will ever be able to kill even an EP in Ifrits? I think not. I pay 15-18k for a stack of bullets, and If I even see a DRG doing the same damage as me, I will retire RNG cause it isnt worth my money.

Edited, Wed Jul 20 20:52:33 2005 by Gellybluntz

I XP'd for about 2 hours last night with friends.

NIN
RNG
RNG
WHM
BRD
BLM

I didnt notice any big difference in speed of kills. Just took a bit more planning and skill to position correctly. Actually made it more fun to have to think. :)

I kept hate well enough normally, only losing it to RNG WS but thats nothing new to me. Even testing with +17 emnity before the patch this was normal.

I use the debuffs but not the elementals.

I also macro in +6 emnity for provoke and wear +2 Emnity all the time (Arhats Sune-ate+1). +3 Emnity from merits also.

We still need to test on Gods etc. :)

Sounds more like your members need to learn about hate control.


Dont know why you didnt quote the rest? We know already that you can have the best equip and still suck. That goes for everybody.

Edited, Thu Jul 21 07:08:42 2005 by Gellybluntz

Interesting to see everyone's reactions. I'm mainly concerned if I should worry about positioning myself for mistral axe now, since it's ranged =P Not that it ever does reliable damage...

I do disagree with the post saying it is logical that hate would go down from shadows being hit. I, for one, get extraordinarily frustrated when I keep whacking at a mob and see "X mob's shadow absorbs the damage and disappears" over and over. I should think that logically shadows would increase hate as the mob gets frustrated because it cannot hit you...but obviously SE thinks otherwise.

Shadows are in no way evasion. The mobs is hitting a shadow which abosrbs the damage and is used up. This means you lose hate just as a PLD were to if he got hit. Only difference is that the shadow took the damage and not you.

I do agree that logically, having a shadow get hit decreases your hate makes no sense.

Let's say for example that you're at a McDonald's, and right as you sit down with your Big Mac, Gilbert Gottfried comes up and slaps it out of your hands, and then proceeds to insult your mother in his comically annoying voice. These are, of course, fighting words, and you stand up to put a foot in his monkey ***. However, you discover, much to your frustration, that, when you swing at him, some mystical force creates shadowy illusionary comic actors that take the hit for him. This goes on for several minutes, and all the while he's running through his comedy routine and just ruining your morning. Naturally, the veins in your forehead start throbbing, and you shout:"Why the **** can't I hit you?!"

It's around this point that the police enter, and arrest you and Mr. Gottfried, but quickly release him.(I can't really blame them, you try riding in a squad car with that guy.)

Wait, what was my point? Oh yeah, that it's late and I'm abusing my internet after having it back for about 6 hours.

Been in a ranger party before? I've been in one since the update and it still works. People who don't play ranger like to assume so much.

I'm just annoyed that people assumes things when they're not even true. People assume rangers are gimped in EXP parties when they're not. Sure, you can't skillchain with anyone that was going to SATA off you but can you really say that SATA is necessary?