FFXI vs. WoWFollow

Heres my opinion of FFXI and WoW, its just an opinion so take it with a grain of salt ;).

My experience in FFXI is not very extensive I have lvl 20blm/18war/15blm/18thf really I only know the beginning of the game. However in WoW I have a 50 Warrior and 45 Priest on two DIFFERENT pvp servers. So with this I know alot more about WoW then I do FFXI. That being said I'll talk about my experience in WoW.

In WoW you can easily go from 1-14 in a day, 14-21 in another, and 21-25 in another. It does not take too long to level especially with the great xp you get in private dungeons (instances) or soloing(grinding) and questing (major xp here when tied with grinding). Ive seen people go from 1-60 with no outside help (Extra gold or powerleveling) in 2-3 weeks, its very possible. 1 month is quite average I would say to reach the level cap of WoW. So leveling is quite quick but it does have problems. One character can only have One class like Paladin, Warrior, Hunter etc no multi jobs like FFXI. So if you want to a Paladin and a Mage you have to make two characters plain and simple. Next professions like blacksmithing, alchemy, enchanting are classified as primary if they are very useful and limited to TWO per character. Exampling Mining and Blacksmithy are both primary and obviously are linked together so there goes your jobs for one character. If you want Enchanting/Tailoring or Herbalism/Alchemy, thats right its time to make another character. But I will add crafting is color coded(green/yellow/red for scale of difficulty/progession) and recipes are easy to find in game, and you can craft anywhere the tools are such as anvils, laboratories, etc. Thats the basics of the game in a nutshell but there are interesting features.

PvP is quite huge in WoW between the two opposing factions Horde and Alliance. Theres a weekly updated PvP ranking system where you progress in rank from private to grand marshall (Alliance rankings, Horde have their own). But it does take quite a but of kills or damage to opponents to raise this rank (however the rewards are wonderful). Basically the more your server pvps, the more you will have to pvp to keep with them or surpass them. Theres also capture the flag arena where Horde and Alliance do a violent PvP style game for bonuses. Blizzard wants to implement a hero classes amoung a sort of new features in the future. However I just did not feel the game was fun. Leveling up to 60 on some pvp servers is quite annoying with mass ganking in areas such as Hillsbrad or STV. Soloing is not really recommended either as much as say it can be done because if two players find you, chances are your dead. However the reason I quit was due to ninjalooters (its very situational and due to my own experience).
I was doing instances and instances for items that drop (some are Bind-on-Pickup so they cannot be traded after won) for so its quite a pain so see a Rogue roll for item only a Warrior can use, since it does nothing to help the Rogue. I met too many young players (it is a blizzard game and little kids flock it like no other...3.5 subscribers remember?).

I dont know all of FFXI's pros but I do like the game. The missions add a stronger feel then WoW's quests, heck even Quests in FFXI are better then WoW's bland read your journal and decipher the meaning. I like FFXI's jobs over WoW's Classes. I like the crafting better. Ive had more fun in FFXi so far then I have had in WoW and thats all I really need. Hopefully I helped explained something to the readers, thanks.

Hello. 73 (almost 74) redmage on FFXI
60 paladin, 60 warrior, 60 rogue on WoW.

WoW, to me is the better game, and let me tell you why (to me) it is. FFXI's PvP SUCKS, so hardcore. The game was made for PvE. In order to get a group in FFXI you have to be an important class (Rdm, whm, brd, rng, blm) and the rest suffer hours of waiting, just to advance. The economy SUCKS. the end game in FFXI SUCKS too. HNM camping and competition is retarded. In WoW the endgame is both camped (outdoors) and instanced, and unlike FFXI, there is alot of endgame content.. Plus, every other month, they release a NEW endgame zone/encounter. When was the last time FFXI introduced new features/zones to the game without charging 30 bucks? there are also PvP battlegrounds. Instanced PvP matches of 10 on 10, 20 on 20 and 40 on 40.

There are two major ways to get "uber" gear on WoW. The first is through raiding. Unlike FFXI, spending 50 minutes to kill 1 hnm for 1 or 2 drops, clearing an endgame instance in WoW takes 4 hours and yields 30-40 high quality drops. The boss encounters, unlike FFXI's, are all pretty much unique and the same strat rarely works twice. The other way is through PvP. Everytime you kill someone near your level in WoW, you get "Honor points". when you get alot of honor points from alot of pvp, you can get pvp armor. The best weapons in the entire game are pvp rewards from the honor system.

You can solo to 60 on WoW, if you only have an hour to play, log on and solo grind out alot of exp. Got more time? Get an instance group. instances are actually better exp than soloing, but soloing isn't much worse. SO you aren't forced to spend 3-4 hours sitting in Jeuno seeking party because you didnt pick an "Important" enough class.

I play WoW primarily for the endgame and pvp now. Theif in FFXI are lame. when they "Sneak attack" and hide you can still see them... thats pretty weak. on WoW, when rogues "Sneak" (its called stealth) no one can see you at all except you and your groupmates (alleys). So your sneak attacks really are SNEAK attacks.

But i still play FFXI, but ONLY because i'm a redmage. If i didn't get groups as fast as I do, i'd never touch FFXI again. I use to play a dragoon.. Never before in my life has a game frustrated me so bad.

Another thing is why did FFXI leave dragoons gimped for YEARS without any attempt to buff them to being on par with other classes, and why haven't they nerfed dark knights and rangers who are far far stronger than other dps classes? WoW they constantly balance classes. There is a TON more customer support and they work alot harder to keep things balanced (mainly because you can play WoW 110% by the pvp OR pve, and PvP requires very finely tuned balancing).

Apples are different than oranges? no way!

..but they're both fruit!

Edited, Mon Sep 12 14:58:17 2005 by TseTsuo

*BUZZER*
Wrong. WoW's focus is on PvE and PvP, and both are awesome. You missed the parts where I explained the PvE rocks, and compared to FFXI, I find it superior. I'll get into that later.


You must not be a dragoon or a pre 65 monk, but ok, lets go with what you say. Hrm, waiting 1 hour for a group? Or soloing for good exp WHILE you wait for a group. There is no blacksheep, weaker than everyone else class in WoW, so no one waits very long. If you want to level with nothing but groups, thats a very viable means.


I did level 75/36 redmage in a month and a half. It was boring and i wanted to kill myself. it's the same [/b]GRIND[li][/li]day in, day out, level after level. I did a dragoon too. Never, in ANY game I've EVER played (from EQ, EQ2, WoW, FFXI, DAoC, PSO) FFXI is by FAR the most repetitive for 75 levels and its boring to tears. and you have no other choice if you wish to level. I could be rdm/drg or something stupid like that, before you chim "ZOMG SUBJOBS!" but we all know how many groups you get if you aren't the expected subjob.

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All right. Let's start with a few examples.
I am a Lv32 Rogue (Thief). I'd like a new dagger. I look up to see which one I could get, and I see that the LV31 "Stonevault Shiv" would be very nice. Now, look at the item. Check the drop chances. That's nice, isn't it ?
Let's say that I want to buy my dagger instead of doing an instace numerous times before obtaining it. Lv30 "Swinetusk Shank" would be nice. Oh, what a pity ! It's "bound when picked up", so when someone will pick it up, he/she won't be able to sell/give it to other players, damn ...
And getting items by doing instances (They're like dungeons, and once one party member enter the dungeon, it "creates" a dungeon which can only be accessed by his/her party members, so there could be 20 parties in a specific dungeon, but they'll all be in a different "zone", so you sorta have a dungeon only for you.) is maybe nice, but I know someone who is a Lv60 Rogue, and he has been doing instances for 3 months now, trying to gather his Lv58 "Shadowcraft" set items ... Not only it usually takes 2-3 hours to complete an instance (who said you only had to be online for 1 hour to accomplish something in WoW ? That's maybe not always true ...), and if you're lucky enough to reach the boss you have to kill, it sill has to drop the item you need (For example, for his tunic : "6.28% chance to drop. (2438 in 38829)"), and even if it drops, you still have to win the loot against the other rogues/idiots who think it would be nice to wear it as a Warrior. Buy it ? Oh, what a pity ! It's a "bind when picked up item" ...
Let's speak about raids. Read the "instance" section again, but with 60 people in the party, and with 4-5 hours instead of 2-3 hours. Now not only you have to make it to the boss and kill it, and be lucky enough to see the 1/1000 dropped item you want ... but also win the roll against the others. If it's hard enough to win in a small group, what is it in a 60-ish one ? Good luck.

So maybe that the FFXI's economy sucks bad, but in FFXI, when you want an item, you can farm and buy it, and you'll have it for sure. And if it is "Rare/Ex" (the equivalent of "bound when picked up", sorta), it has a high chance to be dropped. And if you want to start a 2nd char, you can pass him/her your old stuffs. In WoW ... "bind when equipped" "bind when picked up" is what you'll see on 95% of the items you need.

Here is where you show you really don't know much about WoW.

I could pick apart you're entire post, but let me get on your falacy about shadowcraft.
There are SEVERAL sets of armor in game, tier 1 is what we call shadowcraft. it's good, and it's free if you want to devote the time to getting it. There is a BUYABLE set on par with shadowcraft, doesn't cost much because its not hard to make. a tier about that is epic set 1. This takes weeks of raiding to get if you have the time to devote to hardcore raiding. PvP set 1 is ANOTHER set thats a pvp reward, it doesn't take much to get. an hour of PvP a day for a few weeks, or a few weeks with hardcore PvP. and there is an epic PvP set, for the hardest core PvPers.

This is how WoW caters to both the hardcore and casual gamer. If you have the time and desire to play hardcore you get rewarded with hardcore rewards. if you want to spend [b]an HOUR((and the raids shadowcraft drop in take an HOUR, maybe two if you're with a group of idiots. Which isn't that uncommon come to think about it..) there is the tier 1 set or the player MADE sets.


You don't feel like putting in the work to EARN a Bind on Pick up level 30 dagger? Go buy one, there are many on the auction house. BoP items are in place so the game doesn't REVOLVE around economy, unlike FFXI (I bought enfeebling/elemental torques, Serket ring, vermillion cloak at one point, because there is NO other way to advance your gear).




more falacy. it took me 1 and a half months to get 73 (almsot 75!) and rank 6. past level 60 i was still getting 1 level per day, even in the 70's. then i got bored of the same grind and quit for WoW for a while! well, it took me about the SAME time to get level 60 on WoW, without any uberl33t gear or PvP rank. mainly because, unlike FFXI, there is a TON to do other than EXP. WoW has many, many fun side things you can do, unlike FFXI. I spent alot of time just exploring the huge world, PvPing alot in team battles too. WoW has a storyline, you just haven't been paying attention. Once you get to 60 and start doing molten core/blackwings lair you'll come face to face with its storyline. But as a FFXI fanatic you fail to realize/accept this. Also, you haven't gotten that far.



Common sense would dictate here my point was on fun. In FFXI when theives "Sneak" they swirl red things. yea, thats real sneaky. Hi moron, I can still see you. In WoW, when ROGUES 'sneak' (stealth) you can't see them at all. That is one of the reasons (other than rogues in WoW, like MOST CLASSES have their own, unique combat system and abilities, again, unlike FFXI) WoW has a superior funfactor.


WoW has 8 classes, actually, and talent builds, unlike FFXI, make for an infinate amount of possibilities. WoW's costumer suport, unlike FFXI's, is existant. They work hard to make the game fun and fair for everyone. that BS you said about the L60 rogue? Thats WoW mechnics. All that proves is a rogues FINISHING, ULTIMATE MOVE, isn't based on your gear. its the same for all rogues. This makes it so rogues aren't god mode, killing other players in 1 or 2 hits. Granted a rogues gear is very very important, but still, their ultimate move is fixed damage with any weapon. And the victims in those videos were particularly bad players.




I went to WoW because WoW is more skill oriented and intense than FFXI ever was, will be, or could ever hope to be. it takes skill to succeed in WoW. You don't have to agree with me. Though, the rest of the world does. Look at FFXI's population Pre-WoW and Post-WoW.

Now, almost a year after its release, look at WoW's population and look at FFXI's.


Nuff said.

What does it have that you can do in WoW that you cant do in FFXI? Leveling isnt the only thing to do... Theres Seasonal events, All of CoP, ZM missions, Garrisons, Expeditionary force, quests, rank missions, ENMs, BCNMs, and a lot of other stuff. So I dont understand your comment... You act like leveling is the only thing to do in FFXI lol






LOL STFU and go back to WoW then lol


/peace!

Wait for WoW to be out for 3 years and then come argue your #'s lol

Edited, Mon Sep 12 16:46:54 2005 by siremOO

Keris, 95% of the "gimp" that Dragoon mysteriously have has no real basis other than a distorted misconception that sprouted from the community after the Multihit WS TP gain fix, shortly after the NA release. The *people* need fixing, not the job (to an extent).

Holy wow kids. WoW and FFXI are two completely different games, comparing the two is impossible. Now, to clear up the "I heard" and "my friend said" crap that fills this thread - read on.

Items that are "Bind on pickup (BoP)" are strikingly similar to rare/ex items. Oh look, I just got an empress hairpin, damn, can't sell it because its rare/ex - allow me to flame SE for this.

Yes, WoW takes much less time to play than FFXI does. Is that a bad thing? Depends on who you are. If you want to sit down for a short amount of time, accomplish something, then carry on with your real life - then you'll most likely enjoy WoW. On the other hand, if you prefer spending countless hours seeking pt, millions of gil to go up a single lvl in a craft, losing an entire days xp because of some moron in your pt, and any other neat little tricks with FFXI - then yeah, you'll like it more.

Regardless of which you personally enjoy more - actually go and try the other before you begin to berate it. If you have absolutely 0 interest in WoW, EQ2, GuildWars, whatever - don't try them, sit happily in your FFXI world and prey to the gods everything remains exactly the same as it does now.

FFXI was fun when it came out, but looking at other MMORPG's available today - FFXI shows its age at almost every opportunity. Graphically it is inferior - simply because it was released 4yrs ago and designed to work on PS2 as well as PC. Many features in FFXI could be improved - xp for completing quests instead of the *only* way to lvl by joining xp parties. For the ppl who think they're just doing the same thing over and over again in WoW - how many times have you been through the dunes kids? Gets a touch boring killing crabs throughout the entire game. Also, gets a touch boring running through Deadmines every time you want to lvl an alliance character.

Lag was an issue in WoW upon release when Blizzard found they had more subscribers than their servers could handle - they promptly added additional servers to help balance the problem. Try running through Lower Jeuno on PS2 and tell me there's no lag issue there.

Oh for the person who has a "friend" who's trying for 3 months to get armor in WoW - I happen to know a JP RDM Mithra who spent 8 months in Dynamis to get her AF2 ... shockingly, you do the exact same thing in Dynamis each time hoping for a miracle drop to come along - and also hoping that some other moron in your group doesn't beat you to lot.

Flaws are in both games - WoW just happens to have the majority of players today thus in a pure numbers game it is king. Personally I'd have to say EQ2 has the largest most inveloping story of any MMO available today. WoW gets boring after awhile, FFXI puts you in a coma, take your pick.

I can see that the maturity is going both ways.

An example of your lil Jessica Simpson thing.

You compare a 2005 Honda Accord with a 2002 Toyota Camry. Then you say "Well look how many people are buying this new car today compared to the people buying the 2002 Camry. Wow more people are buying it, it must be better."

If you are going to compare, you would need to find out how many people were playing FFXI when it was released here and in Japan. You are comparing wrong. Hence the "When WoW has been out for 3 years come compare your #'s" comment came from. Plus isnt WoW only American? From what I remember it is. As FFXI has Asia, NA, and Europe. So I would like to know where you got this...




Well if WoW is still NA only then how is the whole gaming world disagreeing with me? :)


Hence my comment...

Also if you went to a Jessica Simpson Board sayin Brittany is better... what do you expect to get? A warm embrace and everyone to throw rose pedals at your feet? LOL So once again, mature or not, I say...


STFU and go back to WoW! Enjoy! :)

Edited, Mon Sep 12 17:10:06 2005 by siremOO

Thank you for proving my point! :)

It's a nasty cycle... I actually would rather have Wheeling Thrust than Mistral Axe to open Light for me... (oh how I hate Mistral Axe)... but since nobody levels dragoon because people become super critical about the job (basing their facts on secondhand knowledge), everyone assumes they suck, since they never get a chance to see Dragoons in action. Obviously you have experience with the job, and I'm sorry that you've fallen prey to the cynicism that runs rampant through the community.

Anyway, I don't want to argue. Some buffs to jobs (not nerfs) would be nice, regardless.

I was mainly alluding to having my 300-500 damage wheeling thrust competeing with RANGERS for groups =P

We both know how that always ends

I really tried to read all of these posts, but I had to reply after I saw one about how every month Blizzard adds new areas.

Dont Forget Blizzard lives on WoW....... thats it. What other game did they release???? They work on WoW thats it. Thats all the they do. Did any of us play FFXI when it first came out. You know when Square updated everyday. Blizzard this year has done WoW and a Diablo 2 1.11 patch........... /clap go Blizzard.

Should we even look at the Square-enix titles or should we just all agree that Square has other things to do. Less just focus on the other Final Fantasy titles we dont even have to get into Enix titles or other non-Final Fantasy titles. Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children is now out. Final Fantasy 12 is in the works. Final Fantasy 7: Dirge of Cerberus is almost completed. Final Fantasy 7: Before Crisis is a cell phone game, complete and released this year. Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core is a PSP game. Another FFXI expansion is coming. FFXI for X:Box is coming. Thats just this year and just the Final Fantasy team.

Blizzard rocked this year with its WoW and Diablo 1.11 patch.................. and a talked about WoW expansion, and thats all Blizzard does. Maybe if square was like Blizzard and only made one game every year instead of 10+ games. They would have more patches on FFXI. So lets all agree that the game is 4 Years old and people at square still havent given up. As much as I hate you for the Advent Children delays, you are one great company.

Also just for your info I have played both games and I liked each one for different reasons. Infact I liked WoW alot, but I returned to FFXI. It wasnt even the game play that made me quit, it was the hacks and the Action house. Epic items that really suck *** sell for 200-300+ gold for some reason. And the whole cosmos hack thing. Cosmos made you able to have more tool bars on your screen, giving people who used it a better advantage in PvP if you didnt use it. Instead of patching the game after Blizzard learned of this (and they did do a crappy patch that didnt solve the problem, thus failing to stop hacking like blizzard always does) the next patch just included this "tool". Saying "We liked that idea, so we went with it." Blizzard is is Blizzard and Square is Square. So I quit the game, even though I liked it, when I saw Blizzard fall into its old habbits of not solving hacking problems.

Ohh yeah one more thing, I hated how people could make as many characters as they wanted, hording as many names as they wanted, on as many servers as they wanted, as many times as they wanted. Makes all the servers prices all messed up, makes it so when a new server opens, ITS FLODDED WITH ****!!!! AND THE LAG IS TERRIBLE SINCE EVERYONE WANTS TO RUSH TO 60 AND BE FIRST THAT YOU CANT DO ANYTHING >.<. SO MUCH LAG WHEN A NEW SERVER OPENS >.<.

Oh. and my new passion in WoW for my priest alt (when was the last time a white mage had this kind of fun..?)

*My priest is undead. I breath much slower, so I can stay under water precisely 3 times longer than every other race.

* Priests can "Mind Control" basicly, its charm on other players. It doesn't last as long and how long it does last is fairly random, but with a little luck...

You can mindcontrol another player underwater, and just sit there.. when mind control breaks, you can fear, then re-mindcontrol. It's easy for them to get out of.. but the average player will drown ^____________^

Or I can mind control someone near a cliff and jump them off to their death Lol. Or jump them into lava when i get higher leveled




Uhhhh are you in touch with reality? First off, the toolbar thing was never a "hack". There have ALWAYS been 10 toolbars, ever since release date. all cosmo did was grant the option to display all 10 at once, instead of having to cycle through them (Hold down shift and press any #, and you'll see how it was before.) All blizzard did was decide since they did alredy give us 10 toolbars, it would be a good idea to give us the option to display more than 1 at a time... I personally use 3, and have ever since default UI. I just wasn't lazy. If i wanted my page 2 macros, i held down shift and pressed 2.

WoW economy is FAR more balanced than FFXI's. Don't go there, you will lose. I logged on FFXI today and saw the serket ring i bought for 500k is now 5million gil.... The Emp hairpin i bought for 50k is now 1.2 million gil... elemental and enfeebling torque are 3 times more expensive too.. if i sold all the stuff i bought for less than 1 million TOTAL in january, i'd have well over 12 million now..
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one is PvE based with weak PvP, and one is PVE/PVP based with amazing PVP and great PvE. There are ways to break out of mindcontrol, though most people never think of them..

The seeing other peoples level thing isn't a hack, but blizzard DID say they wanted it omited, and guess what? the cosmo designers took it out of the UI. I love FFXI to death don't get me wrong, I just like WoW alot too. It's possible you can say one is good and not say the other is terrible. But both games have their serious flaws, 1 more than the other. As a former dragoon, I have deeprooted "Why didn't you fix me!" issues with Square-enix....



Why didn't you fix me square..? Why.. ='(

redmage bores me now too, so I'm taking a break from that to level something else.. I'm hoping Ninja can occupy my attention.

Edited, Thu Sep 15 14:18:43 2005 by Keris