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#27 Jun 30 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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My last party was roughly 4.8k in a bit over an hour, with the bard in my party disconnected for a good 30 minutes of that. This happened no less than fifteen minutes ago. I was 4.8k until level 61, and I'm now sitting on a lovely 22 exp buffer into 61.

This includes the time it took for me to guide two members up to Delkfutt's Upper because they didn't have their keys, and includes a five minute wc break after the first half hour.

Party setup was BRD, WHM, NIN, SMN, WAR, DRK.

As I said. Not hard to do with the parties I join.

I partied the other day for nine hours and got on average 45,000 exp. 45,000 divided by nine is what? 5,000 you say? Awesome. Setup there was BRD, WHM, SMN, WAR, RNG(and MNK for the latter half of the party).

Settling for the horrible parties I mentioned where you get 2k exp per hour is just pathetic, in my opinion.


EDIT: Last good party I had on RDM was a 3xMNK party in King Ranperre's Tomb. Corpse, Mzm, Hulken, Hellfire, Lupine, and Myself. 30k exp in three hours.

Last good party I had on WHM was Tuesday, the aforementioned 45k party. Setup was Prawneh, WAR, Johndorn NIN, myself WHM, Torch BRD, Drako SMN, Venten as RNG and later on when Venten left, Xmpl as MNK(excellent MNK, by the way.)

Edited, Thu Jun 30 17:48:20 2005 by Alauce
#28 Jun 30 2005 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Settling for the horrible parties I mentioned where you get 2k exp per hour is just pathetic, in my opinion.


Yes, but you can tell how it's going to go after a few battles. At which point someone should be making suggestions to their party. If it looks like it's going to continue to blow, then /goodbye. I'm just saying I'll give the uncoventional pt a shot.

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EDIT: Last good party I had on RDM was a 3xMNK party in King Ranperre's Tomb.
MNK, BLM, or RNG pts rock.

Edited, Thu Jun 30 17:57:06 2005 by Eldriss
#29 Jun 30 2005 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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I make sure everybody is healed, I erase, I debuff, I haste, all the things I would be doing if I was in any other party. Despite what you think


So you work for the first 10 seconds of the fight and then AFK. We don't need another Aphrasia on these forums so please keep these posts to yourself instead of trying to start drama. I can bet you that you'll still get invites like you so claim regardless since only a small portion of Bismarck actually reads these forums.
#30 Jun 30 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I think there needs to be more threads like this personally, as a result of it I know at least one DRG on the server who now wouldn't think of inviting him to pt, proves it works and now saves both of us wasting our time talking to each other.

If everyone took your lead and just refused to party with jobs they didn't like instead of ******** and whining thread after thread, it'd make these forums a better place.
#31 Jun 30 2005 at 5:07 PM Rating: Default
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i get hate tell everyday for having no drg in my comment ; ;
#32 Jun 30 2005 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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i get hate tell everyday for having no drg in my comment ; ;


What comment would that be?
#33 Jun 30 2005 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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The "no dragoon" KFCC puts on his search comment. Also he tends to leave party when a drg is present. I told him many times that dragoons are people too. They have real feelings and put pants on two legs at a time like everyone else and shouldn't be treated like some kind of plague. I think we should put KFCC on the **** player list.
#34 Jun 30 2005 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
You guys are awesome. You are fulfilling the point of this thread. All the people saying Alauce is a ******, all the people who will now refuse to PT with him, all the people whose posts I have to read twice to understand their poor spelling and grammar, are exactly the people Alauce is trying to avoid.

I envy you Alauce. Please rid me of them too! :<
#35 Jun 30 2005 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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OMG, KFCC is a monster..he should be shot
#36 Jun 30 2005 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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alauce you suck :x
#37 Jun 30 2005 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't give a sweet flying **** if the 2 SCers in my PT are a DRG or a SAM or DRK or anything for that matter. As long as they hit the SC I will burst it and decimate the monster and then toss in a teir 3 or 4 spell for the kill.
I will PT with anyone as long as they hit their SCs and make a chain for me to burst.


Amen.

I'm not out to 'level level level'. But when I'm lfg, I'm not going to grill the guy inviting me, and I'm *especially* not going to refuse to party with a particular job. A particular person, yes, there are a couple of them I wouldn't party with. There are some party setups that I don't feel are 'teh awesomes xxxburn pt woot'.

I feel that the people who b*tch and complain, refuse to party with anything other than Fisher-Price Free Experience Points parties, and get haughty and arrogant with other players (especially on the basis of job!) are part of why levelling is such a pain in the **** sometimes.

If the Japanese players taught us nothing, they should have taught us that you can make next to anything work if you're willing to try. Paladins are tanks; you're just going to have to accept that sometimes, parties are tanked by Paladins. Yes, a NIN is a free ride for a WHM as long as he's a good one. A Paladin is not; you actually have to heal the guy. I actually have to Refresh him. But that's my job. :/ I'm not going to cry about it.

Bad parties aren't caused by certain jobs, they're caused by certain people. End of story.
#38 Jun 30 2005 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Sioux, that is the smartest post on this thread. But it's not about you...it's about Alauce. you should start a thread that is titled, "the correct attitude when choosing to play ffxi" Ima big proponant of "shut your pie hole and do your job"

You don't hear(read) DD's crying I don't wanna hit cause I might get hate and die. As a DRK I steal hate on occasion and I depend on the mages to heal me (their job) and the PLD to take his frickin hate back (his job) cause I don't want it. Good mages and PLD will save me and bad one will not. you find good players and keep em close, that way you have less chance of finding tha bad ones.
#39 Jun 30 2005 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
Rate down -.-p
#40 Jun 30 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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<<You guys are awesome. You are fulfilling the point of this thread. All the people saying Alauce is a ******, all the people who will now refuse to PT with him, all the people whose posts I have to read twice to understand their poor spelling and grammar, are exactly the people Alauce is trying to avoid. >>

He is a bored kid trying to cause problems to get attention, and only wants to join a pty where he doesn't have to do anything. Why play the game if you don't actually want to play the game. No one in the real world gives a rats *** about your FFXI char.



#41 Jun 30 2005 at 7:21 PM Rating: Default
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wants to join a pty where he doesn't have to do anything.


Yeah, that's why I chose the busiest job in the game as my first job to 75, right? That's why to this day, I continue to go out of my way to help people, to help cure on Gods and Kirin, and all around be the most helpful person in-game I can be, right?

That's why every day, I ask if anybody needs me, and I sit in Lower Jeuno joining random pickup parties for AF, solo darkspark fights, Genkai, and the likes, right? Because I don't want to do anything?

Get over yourself. I don't want to party with Paladins and Dragoons because they are, on the whole, from my personal experience, absolute morons and they don't know how to do THEIR jobs correctly, not vice versa.

I have no qualms with healing and doing status cures. I love it. Why else would I have chosen WHM? I'm not trying to get an easy ticket to 75, thanks. I'm trying to *gasp!* have fun playing the game.

Honestly though. I love it that you're dating me down for this, I really do. I post my opinion on Dragoon and Paladin in a very nice, non-flaming fashion. I ask you nicely to stop inviting me to your parties because I simply do not want to party with you, as I don't find it fun. People start to flame me, yet when I retaliate, I'm the one rated down. It's fantastic, really. By all means, rate me down more. So much for having the right to an opinion.

Edited, Thu Jun 30 20:30:29 2005 by Alauce
#42 Jun 30 2005 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, that's why I chose the busiest job in the game


No it's not
#43 Jun 30 2005 at 7:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't want to party with Paladins and Dragoons because they are, on the whole, from my personal experience, absolute morons


Alauce, do you have any idea how many crappy red mages are out there?

Seriously?

#44 Jun 30 2005 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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Kind of ironic that this post came just as rng and nin are nerfed.

The reason they were nerfed? ******** like you who refused to pt with anyone other than the leet jobs and totally unbalanced the game. And yeah, whm insisting on a nin tank is just about the ********* thing I've ever heard. Pat yourself on the back all you want that you debuff and haste, we're all impressed.

Personally, I party with any job, but I draw the line at morons.
#45 Jun 30 2005 at 8:06 PM Rating: Default
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There are crappy people that play every job. But no jobs stand out as much as Paladin and Dragoon.

But when I'm on WHM, I don't get invited to parties with WHMs, do I? I don't get invited to RDM parties on RDM, do I? I don't have to party with them, so they're not of any concern to me. However, I do get invites from Paladins, and I do get invites from Dragoons, at an astounding rate. And e v e r y single one has been bad, barring the few I mentioned.

I've had PLDs that refuse to heal themselves, don't voke after the first voke, constantly spam for refresh or haste the second it drops. I've had Dragoons that don't know the meaning of the phrase "trick partner", that are too stupid to put away their pet in an area where two AoEs will kill it, then spam for Cures to full so they can heal their pet, only to have it die in the next battle.

Please, keep in mind this isn't just blind prejudice. This is actual, factual experience speaking here, and I asked NICELY to please not invite me. It's not a hard concept to grasp. I honestly do not care if you think you're a good paladin/dragoon or not. I've had way too many bad experiences, and I choose to end them before they start up again.

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No it's not


Yes, when played correctly, Red Mage is tied with Bard for the busiest job in the game. What does RNG do? Shoot arrows? Skillchain? Pull? That's about it. However I cure, haste, debuff, magic burst, sleep adds, refresh, etc. And I'm expected to do it, just like you're expected to skillchain, shoot arrows, pull, etc.


You people have turned a plea into a barbeque. It's no wonder this forum is the laughingstock of just about everybody I talk to. I give examples as to why I do not want to take part in something, and I get flamed for it. Well, congratufuc[/i]kin' lations, folks. I hope you're happy.

edit: sioux, might I have a word with you on AIM or somewhere? I'd really like to explain my side of things, and I'd rather do it without getting flamed.

[i]Edited, Thu Jun 30 21:10:48 2005 by Alauce
#46 Jun 30 2005 at 8:55 PM Rating: Default
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rate up
Its supposed to be a game if u dont enjoy a party setup you shouldnt be obligated to party in that group if you dont care too. Its suppossed to be fun right?
#47 Jun 30 2005 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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It was a plea lined with sheer arrogance and generalized the entirety of the Dragoon and Paladin population. *ANY* board on this site and probably any other site would be dousing you in flames right now, it's not just this board.

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I'm just going to edit the rest of this and leave the above. Let's just say I've been enlightened but I meant the above. Insulting the board won't change people's opinions.

Edited, Thu Jun 30 22:31:22 2005 by seraphimhunter
#48 Jun 30 2005 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
Or if you hate getting **** invites? dont like pld or drg? go play WoW then you *****. Your complaining makes me ill. Go jump ur ******** *** of a bridge.
#49 Jun 30 2005 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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If you're gonna ***** so much about it, why not make your own parties? I've been told by many people that i'm a good PLD. But to have someone refuse to join a PT i'm in, because they're naive..is just childish. Dont generalize all PLD, and DRK, just because you've had some bad encounters, and try to start trouble by posting it in here. Act your age kid. Why dont YOU try being a PLD, and see how hard it is to play, when you have 2 rng's SCing, and BLM MB. Not very easy. So please, stop being an idiot. I dont care what your highest lvl is.
#50 Jun 30 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Default
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Lmao, okay... this thread's gotten way out of hand with the flaming.

So, I'll shed some light: This thread started out as a joke.

Rather than type it out again, I'll post the PM I sent Yuehunei.

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In all actuality, it did start out as an inside joke thread between myself and a few people in my linkshell (paladins and dragoons, surprisingly.), but then I got flamed and flamed and flamed for it, so I started to fight back, etc.

See, what it is is this:

I have a set party with Prawneh, Drako, Torch, and Johndorn, with one filler each time. However, due to a few times where I've had to duck out of exp due to having doctor checkups and things of that nature, I fell behind a level in exp and have had to catch up.

Today I was seeking in Jeuno and got an invite to a Dragoon party. Despite what I've said on the forums, I find Dragoons to be ample DD, even at higher levels - Zariko can attest to this. I loved partying with him.

The party, however, was absolutely abysmal. I died no less than three times because the PLD couldn't keep hate, the THF kept missing TA, and the Dragoon couldn't skillchain to save his (or my) life.

A few ls members and I were joking about it, and I said I was gonna make a post on Allakhazam asking the Paladins and Dragoons to kindly stop asking me to party with them.

Things in the thread got out of hand, and I began to really wish the PLD and DRG would really just.. go away, since that group was the main group that couldn't take a joke. Naturally, I'd never say my posts are jokes, because that takes quite a bit of the fun out of it, even if I am being flamed all to Hell and back.

I've tried to explain myself ingame to numerous players that took part in the thread saying it was a mock thread and that I was sorry it got out of hand, but they most likely blacklisted me, and rightly so.

Well, c'est la vie.


Everybody that took part in this thread is in the wrong. And not least of all, me. I'll be the first to apologise.

So, I'm sorry I didn't make the joke known at the beginning. I'm sorry for letting it get out of hand.
#51 Jun 30 2005 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I think you waited a little to long to post your apologie.
Now half of the server thinks you are a elitest *****
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