KSNM30 BLMSFollow

I believe there are at least 2 groups of BLM who do this for gil, usually on Saturday afternoons, try shouting in port jeuno, to supposedly help useless jobs burn KS. Most any set up will win on this if you're 75, 3 melee sub nin, 2 sleepers, and 1 whatever. I think you're better waiting until you can do share with friends on this. The rates from the blm from what I've been told is 50% of the drop value or you can pick one item from drops and they get the rest. I'm almost surprised there isnt 16 blm charging 1.6 mil to win DM yet, but maybe shortly there will be.

I know someone that makes these trips on the norm. He will set up a time for when he is doing them and will run through then a couple times. Depending on how many people he has running through for the items.

His name in game is "Eckskalibur"

He will work out a deal with you ingame if you send him a /tell and let him know you wanna do a run.

I did one with him and his group. No claw =/ but he sold everything else and sent me my cut from the sales. So it's a fair deal.

In most cases when you get a merc group like this together you pick out the item you want (the high priced items) if you get it, then it's only fair you give them the rest for thier time and work.. (took his team not even 3 mins to kill the scorps.

Blm only earn 4k per fight?? well 4k is nearly nothing, you'd better off to farm then helping others on KSNM.

Its your own opinion if you dont want to give share to blm, but its easy and nearly 100% winning.

It all depends on who the Blm's are. With the guy I made a deal with and what I offered him was along the lines of this.

*If claw drops it's mine, the Blm's can have everything else.

*If claw does not drop then I get the next highest priced item, Blm's can have everything else.

*If nothing good drops then we sell everything and split the gil 6 ways.

If you want to do this the hard way and get a good party going to do this. Not counting the hours on end. This would still fall under the Unofficial rules like that of a BCNM. Orb user keeps drops from his.her orb. So no matter what, doing it this way someone is likely to get shafted in this.. I know this because I have done some BCNM's and while everyone else got either {Erase} or {Utsusemi: Ni} I got nothing.

I like the Merc party way of doing it, all I have to do is get the seals to some gil.

Operation Desert Swarm: http://ffxi.cannotlinkto/bcnm/57

Drops goodie like V.claw, ingots and only needs 30 KS seals.

Lol darthalia I love you, sure you can come I will get more info on this later when I talk to the blms. I will give you some gil from my pocket since you are not a part of the blms crew. I can always use a good blm friend lol.

Edited, Wed May 25 13:05:07 2005 by snakeeyesOfBismark

ES + Freeze -> Fire elemental = 5k in about 18 seconds.

Anyone who is doing a bcnm/ksnm run and only getting 4k/fight is doing something wrong or has the worst luck in the world.

Edited, Wed May 25 14:17:59 2005 by TseTsuo

Hello.
I am the head of one of the 'merc' groups that does this particular BCNM. I started it after a post I made here a few months back. I have done this over 160 times as of now. And I plan to continue to do so. The most common deal that we offer and that is accepted is the following:

Choose an item before we enter the BCNM. If it drops its yours. Anything else is split 1/6th. Even if your item drops, you still get a cut of the remaining items.

I have had people come to me and say they want claw or nothing. It has varied greatly.. but nonetheless I generally go by the above offer. It's been accepted commonly and I have never recieved a complaint..At least not to me personally. Many have walked away thanking me for the service. Even if they only walked away with 10,000 gil. Which isn't impossible. It's all a risk and it's a gamble. But I have gotten many people Venemous claws and I have helped out a lot of people in the same breath. Yes we profit off if it. But so does everyone who comes along. It's a guaranteed win as long as you follow our instructions. Sit and watch. Do not interefere and its a win. I haven't been on Alla much but I seen this post and felt as though I should post. If anyone is interested in coming along for our next run.. please contact me in game. I will also check this thread for opinions/comments.

Ecks.

I look at it like this, 90%+ of the time people are shouting for help they want a tank. What if every pld or ninja charged 200K for every AF3,avatar,etc we helped out with and we usually die doing it since for some reason no one wants to heal in those type of fights. It also takes more time and work.

I just look at this as charging someone to help, and no different then if I charged to helped. I never change to help and spend 90%+ of my FFXI time helping someone.






Edited, Fri Jun 3 18:35:24 2005 by BismarkGrimson

I feel it's not the same.

AF and avatars etc are rare/ex (avatars cannot be sold or bought), and hence, here is no way to do it other than with help, and if you don't know people high enough level to help, then there's nothing than can be done but shout for help.

Venomous claw is not Rare/ex, it can be bought, and hence, there is an alternative method of obtaining it through farming (or crafting, or fishing, or what have you)

Therefore, you have an alternative method of obtaining the item, and hence having such a group you're paying for a service of speed and efficiency.

Also, most people high enough to help have themselves probably recieved help with their AF and stuff in the past, and this is like their way of paying peple back for their help, whereas not everyone has recieved help obtaining a claw, and for those that did, if the help came from strangers, they didn't get a free shot at the claw, most likely it was either your orb your stuff, or split profit or some other method. In this case, the BLMs do not recieve help in return, and hence, they are offering a service that they should have the right to offer without being criticized as greedy and such.

I've tanked close to 50 AF3. I went to help with 5 rdm AF3 at level 62 and died all 5 times. I've helped with at least 100 coffer keys. I've tanked G2 5-6 times, and I've done most of the avatars fights 4 times. I've helped with the optical hat and other nms that drop rare/ex items that many many people and ls charge insane amounts of gil to help with.

Yes, I got help with my AF. But your saying I guess that I should have quit helping after I returned the same amount of help back. What a moron am I, I actually help getting nothing back in return most of the time not even a thank you.

Why does rare/ex matter? A gluttony sword is as important to a pld as any of his AF. You don't have to have AF or any other item.

This is no different then if I charged 200K to tank anything.

In regards to the whole rare/ex issue, what I meant by that is not it's importance or lack of importance, but rather that availibility of an alternative means of obtaining said item. In addition, as RdmKelton said, for such items, you cannot sell them to obtain gil, and hence it is for personal use only.

I also didn't say that you should only help with 3 coffers and be done with it. I only said that it's in some way paying back to the community. I meant it as something that everyone's who's done it before can relate to. I personally have helped with about 10 coffer hunts, and I'm not even finished with my own AF yet.

To make a bigger analogy, I want a Noble's Tunic, the cloth is an HNM drop, and only an HNM drop. Since I'm not currently in an HNM LS, would it be fair for me to go up to a stranger in such an LS and say, hey, I need a Shining Cloth (I belive that's the right cloth), wanna help me get one for free? Granted the cloth is worth 3 times the value of the claw, and such a battle takes many times longer to even get together, no less do, but by your principles (you, in the general sense of those who feel the claw help should be gotten for free, rather than any one specifically) even if they were to take such a request, they should not charge for it?

Perhaps someone out there may be willing to do this service for free, but unless they're willing to do it on a consistant basis, you still have to first, find such a person (along with their friends who are also willing to do it for free) and then catch them when they're not busy. These people are performing a service, and they're offering what for most people, is the easiest and least expensive way to obtain a claw. Consider the time it would take to find 5 separate level 75 (or perhaps near that) BLMs, to do this for free, would you not rather choose to pay a small fee than do this? Not to mention, random 75 BLMs may not all have the experience at this particular KSNM to guarantee a win.



Edited, Wed Jun 8 17:43:34 2005 by Tarundi

Here's an idea, why not lvl your job up and do the ksnm yourself? And no, its not that hard to find people. Check your 75 blm using the search function, a good number have ksnm30 in it im sure. Maybe you cant find 5 at a certain time, try setting a time in the future. This is like coffer keys, when the guy is shouting "coffer key help, 1/???" are you the first to go? Most people wait until you have a few. A lot of people will do this for free if you do the leg work and find the other people. I've got 95 KS on me right now as 75 blm, some guy who sends me a tell and says he has 3 other blm, can u help us, ill say heck yea, my fee - using my own orb with the party you made. As for experience, if you cant seal + sleepga2 and cast thundaga3 by lvl 73, you need help as a blm. Blm on this dont need experience. But yea, some people will use "mercenaries" and let them, other people will do this with their friends and not have to pay, and 1 happy person will actually find 4 blm to do this for free.