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I still don't understand why poeple like you think the lower levels are only hard work to get up and not just fun in themselves.

Delivering the killing blow on the last of 4 creeps OOM and with only 3% HP left feels the same no matter how many HP you had when the fight started - the adrenalin doesnt get stronger with each lvl otherwise at 65 a lot of people must have died from a heart attack already...*lol*

Did we (yes I DO mean we*!) skip the first lvls of Tomb Raider? Did we go into cheat mode immediatly in Baldurs Gate to get max stat/hp from the start on? Don't think we (I DO still mean we*!) did so.

If you think EQ is only boring xp grind till one finally hit lvl 50 (or whatever) you have not understand the game and I guess you are just one of those self-confidence lacking creeps that want to be "on top" at least in a game if they can't in RL (and willing to pay for it)

*I do see myself as the typical average (apart from being a female who's partner does not play it) EQ gamer. Not better, not lesser. And in counting myself to the faceless mass of players I claim the right to speak on their behalf in some cases.

Do you think of yourself also as an average gamer? Or one of the "better"? And be warned in advance - it'd be a contradiction to claim that the average players are the mass of better players ;-)



Edited, Fri Feb 6 05:36:05 2004 by Leiany

I'll say it again, people are stupid and there is nothing you can do about it. The bazaar has brought prices down until someone decided to get greedy.

Want to see how stupid people are? Go to the bazaar and search for spells sold on vendors, or even items vendors ALWAYS have in stock. On Fennin Ro, some loser is trying to sell a couple of portals\circles for 2500pp. The spell merchants sell them for 7-14pp.

I've seen price ranges on some items from 1pp to 2500pp. If one trader can't sell it for 1pp, what makes someone else think they can get 2500pp?!

If you don't like the price, don't pay it. Noone says you need that item today. Search for it in the bazaar over a period of about 2 weeks. You'll find what you want at a decent price.

What part of hois post did u not understand -- lol we are not talking about chump items -- we talking ornate -- tryh tracking thje prices on those -- or do you work for Yantis??

one thing thats not really being seen here is how the "honest" player is suffering. The game is getting increasingly difficult to meet the challenges the high end players need nowadays. and why are these people not being challenged? because they buy pp or gear to make them stronger. (not all people mind you, but a lot).

so what about the casual player..the "honest" player that doesn't buy anything but still wants to see new content? they're screwed because when GoD releases they will just be getting strong enough to handle Velious mobs.

we need a better way for people to advance their toons. not everyone can get into UBER_GUILD_01 and learn raiding skills quickly or even attend larger raids. The only Tier 2 plane I've touched is PoV...I'm DYING to see elemental planes and new content but the game runs away from me every time i get close to cater to the people that are bored with the current end content.

just my opinions..take them as you will.

Another 3-6 months and Ornate will be considered chump.

Just sayin'

Taarakian. I think you're completely missing the point of this thread. In fact, I can't even tell what point you're trying to make. Are you ok with people buying plat in order to get that ornate armor without working for it? Or against it?


See... The problem is that you're not making the connection between the two issues. It's about supply and demand. If you increase the demand for an item, but keep the supply constant, the price will always go up. Now. In an EQ where no one (or very few) players can just log onto a site and purchase plat for RL cash, the demand for Ornate is restricted to the (presumably non-lazy) people who earned that much cash themselves, in game, presumably by killing mobs to get loot, then selling said loot in the bazaar (and then perhaps using that as seed money to work up their cash by buying and selling stuff).

IGE, by making the purchase of plat easy, safe, and "cheap" (relatively speaking), has increased (by a huge margin), the number of people who choose to purchase plat instead of earn it in the game. This means that the demand for items like Ornate has gone up. This means that the price has gone up.

This does two things (as illustrated in the very first post, if you'd taken the time to read it):

1. This makes IGE's business more profitable since higher prices means more plat people have to buy for the same result in game. If you really want that Ornate armor that used to cost 20k, but that now costs 150k, you'll buy 150k worth of plat to get it.

2. This means that the "honest" players (I suppose this is *not* the lazy people you referred to in your post) have to work that much harder in game in order to earn the money to buy the same goods. Again. If Ornate used to cost 20k, but now costs 150k, you'll have to work a lot longer and a lot harder to buy it.


So basically, the players are getting screwed (even the ones who think they are making out by buying plat online). IGE is the only entity that wins.


Sice you seem to be the champion of players who work for their gear in game, there's another layer to this that hurts them beyond even the prices in the bazaar. Since Ornate is selling for 150k instead of 20k (and presumably other high ticket items in the bazaar are undergoing a similar inflation), there's that much more incentive for people to farm said items. What this means is that alot of players who might otherwise move on to other content are farming Ornate intead. This increases competition on those drops, meaning that the "honest" players who just want to get the drops for their own use are having a hell of a time doing it.


The result is that players who are normally of the "I want to get the drops myself camp" are hitting a brick wall in the just-pre-elemental stage of PoP. They can't get the drops they need to advance in the game. If they were just competing for drops with people at the same level as themselves, they'd be fine (still crowded, but not terribly so). Right now, trying to do any sorts of mini raids for Ornate molds, or even just in zones where such things drop is virtually guaranteed to be an argument fest. Most guilds at that level are just going elsewhere since it's not worth dealing with the farmers (sad as that sounds really).


Um... This makes those players feel like they are falling behind. Some of them are also going to just go ahead and buy plat from IGE in order to "keep up". There are enough pressures on a guild, in terms of which content to hit, and when to move on. Adding in this additional bit of annoyance is a real pain. There are a lot of guilds literally spinning in circles because they can't progress in PoP right now. Or at least are feeling that the time and trouble isn't worth it.


I'd normally just say to wait for the next expansion since that should break things up abit, but the problem is still there. If the next expansion contains droppable stuff better then ornate, then that will just shift to be the next "high ticket" seller (and again generate a stumbling block for all but the first guilds to go through). If the next expasion does not contain a better sellable set of gear, then Ornate will still be a stumbling block since those lower level guilds will still need something decent to continue progression. When you look at the expansions in order, the last "sets" of armor available (as in, not just piecemeal stuff you can pick up) goes all the way back to Velious. You *can* outfit folks in random bits from SoL and PoP (quite well actually), but it'll take a lot longer for a guild to do so, and you'll be raiding all over the place.

The GoD expansion doesn't look large enough to support a progression of gear. I dont think they'll have a mid leveled "set" of no-drop gear in it. Most of the content looks to be aimed at elemental/time capable guilds. This means that everyone who's not at that level is going to basically be stuck for a very long time. If you think of progression in terms of how far you are in the current "new" expansion when the next one comes out, those guilds will actually lose ground rather then gain it. That's pretty frustrating btw...

your on Fironia Vie server, prices are different for you, play on a regular server and you will understand what everyone else here does

peace d-man

Good excuse for buying crack, illegal weapons and whores also...

PS: I just play for 3 months and I am European - and I still claim you don't understand the meaning of the word c-h-al-l-e-n-g-e

Ornate is good and well but personally for the time and money... LDON is the best way to go for a cleric

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/profile.html?390620

But, whomever said that high level characters have no use for money is absolutely right, Nothing i can buy will advance my character any further. I would like to get a pair of holgresh elder beads, but even at 500k, no one will sell. So, in the meantime, ive started collecting manastones.

Mlain

to the europian....wtf are you talking about? Crack....whores......stfu......my point was how would ige/yantis be in business, if the "majority" of players didnt buy plat and items online? Oh let me guess, Donald Trupm is the single best customer of ige and keeps them in business.....wow good thing yall have your own servers....stay on em

Point of Original thread, bottom line, Plat. sellers and / or bazaar resellers are monopolizing the items and price fixing.
BULL CRAP! See my other posts you lousy useless players. Just because you can't compete you are trying to blame somebody else for the fact that YOU CAN'T PLAY THE GAME EFFECTIVELY. You want the hi end stuff, but don't want to work for it. Everything selling in the Bazaar is TOTAL FREE MARKET economy, its DOG EAT DOG. MOBS that drop the nice stuff are hard to get to and at least half a dozen guilds of 100 plus members RACE to each one as soon as it pops, the race (and items) go to the FAST and the STRONG. You can't compete? BOOHOOOOOO.
Get FAST
Get STRONG
Eat the other dogs
Or stay a peasant in peasant's clothing.

and my point was first off this is a game.....drugs whores and hehe gun smugglers....geta life....this is EQ.......2nd of all your point is you dont like the traders, sellers and such, and thus they must be bad since you dont like them......again get a life.....whats the most populated zone in the game? the bazaar, why? becaus enoone can stand the traders. They cant stand them so bad, they all just go to the bazaar to meet and chat right? No EQ free market....the majority of players dont care....and they do speak out...by not saying much at all and just play the game, and frequent the bazaar. every server, every bazaar= the busiest zone.....period.....get it now?